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Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by OOPMan »

ajkjk wrote: post #130
copperx wrote: post #119

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I almost agree; but in my experience, JetBrains IDEs are worth every cent. I am more productive on them than in Visual Studio Code, even for "simple" tasks, like raw HTML/CSS/JS editing.

Weird, I can't stand them. Mine falls over on a moderately sized project and it feels like it's always melting while re-indexing-- which also totally blocks inspection operations.

That sounds like a hardware issue.

If you're going to roll Jetbrains then the more RAM the better and a good CPU also helps.

Obviously, this means MacBooks that aren't fully kitted out are bad picks.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by mcdevilkiller »

copperx wrote: post #119
ildon wrote: post #104

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> I'm sure there's a VSC plugin for that This part of your comments nails 100% why, for me (web developer, 90% in typescript these days), it's nearly impossible to justify paying for an IDE. Visual Studio code has almost everything that I need, and what it's not baked in, is easily done with a plug-in, which in the worst case I can write myself. But that's really a worst case scenario, since to this date it has never…

I almost agree; but in my experience, JetBrains IDEs are worth every cent. I am more productive on them than in Visual Studio Code, even for "simple" tasks, like raw HTML/CSS/JS editing.

I default to WebStorm and sometimes CLion and Idea. I recently tried Rider as a Visual Studio Community replacement, and holy smokes, it's really fast compared to VS+R#, looks really good, and has all the other JetBrains stuff.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by panopticon »

twic wrote: post #237
tleb_ wrote: post #80

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I feel the same about minimaps. In the same extract they list "editor overscroll"; the feature set must be limited to list that on the landing page. > It's new, hyper-fast, and flexible, with all the features you want: smart autocomplete, multiple cursors, a Minimap, editor overscroll, tag pairs and brackets, and way, way more.

What even is editor overscroll?

Being able to scroll beyond the last line, so you can place the last line at the top of your viewport if you wished.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by hrktb »

paxys wrote: post #89
hrktb wrote: post #54

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I wonder if they have a plan to move to iPad their codebase after it’s battle tested. There’s a lack of a serious editor over there, and in particular VS Code can’t compete because of it’s business model.

> and in particular VS Code can’t compete because of it’s business model. What do you mean by that? If there was real demand for it, creating an iPad distribution for VS Code probably wouldn't be that difficult. It already runs great fully in a web browser.

I meant that it's open source with a mix of a number of OSS projects that would all need to arranged and accepted to be packaged in an app to be able to come to the App Store.

There has been interest in doing something to have VSCode in some way or shape on the iPad for a long time [0].

I see a lot of "you just need to" iPad on VSCode tricks that basically describe running a part of the UI locally and the rest hosted somewhere else (most fantastic setup I saw was to stick a RPi 0 on the side of the iPad connected through USB-C and VNC/SSH to it).

Codespacets is to me a variation of that, I'd want an actual node runtime powering a full native app with command line, native code execution etc. (a la Pythonista), and not just a reduced interface. I still prefer using Coda or Textastic for instance than coding in Safari.

I completely fault Apple for this, still doesn't change it looks like a dead end for now)

[0] https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/70764

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by dbt00 »

bartread wrote: post #155
mattdeboard wrote: post #113

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I used Emacs for 10 years. When I started writing JS almost exclusively at my current job, I switched finally to VSCode (albeit with emacs keybindings). The plugin/extension experience between emacs and vscode is, of course, almost an apples to oranges comparison. But VSCode is much better in that regard in my opinion. I want yak-free IDE. After ten years my Emacs config is a herd of beautifully shaved yaks. VSCode i…

The problem I've had with VSCode - and also Sublime, as it happens - is that on a moderately large JS project it's something of a CPU hog. Both editors seem to do a lot of indexing, and this is even with loads of ignore folders configured. The irony is that this has driven me to try emacs. I am being driven nearly to distraction by the fact that every single operation seems to almost glory in using a different key co…

> The thing it absolutely seems to nail is performance. I'm getting zero CPU thrashing on the same project, and auto-complete-mode, whilst not quite as good as VSCode's autocomplete, is much better than Sublime's. For one thing it seems to work well across files, even when using ES5 with no typing hints.

Speaking of ironic, yeah. Emacs used to be the massive resource hog, compared to it's competition (BSD vi?) back in the day -- the joke was that EMACS stood for "eight megs and constantly swapping", back when 8MB of RAM was a lot. It's just that, after that, they failed to keep up with Wirth's law.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by slmjkdbtl »

johnzim wrote: post #248
slmjkdbtl wrote: post #241

Panic makes the juiciest GUI apps and have the strongest presentations, but I can't stand an editor that isn't 60fps scrolling, feels like Atom all over again (downloaded VS Code just to make sure it's not my computer that's slow, and VS Code did give me smooth scrolling, curious about why a browser based editor is smoother than a native mac one) ps. just found out they're the devs of Untitled Goose Game and Firewatc…

They’re the publishers of those games not devs (though they’re great)

oh thanks for the info, yeah i was shocked when thought they actually made this

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by pier25 »

reaperducer wrote: post #202

Eager to try this out. Coda was far ahead of its time, but became dated as others caught up. Hopefully Nova is just as far ahead. Moreover, I'm getting tired of VS Code's slowness and quirks, so switching back to something from Panic would be great. If it crashes less often than VS Code, it's half way there. For those who don't know, Panic is well known for decades for making incredibly high-quality software. It's no…

> Coda was far ahead of its time

Other than the Cocoa UI what feature did it introduce?

> Panic is well known for decades for making incredibly high-quality software

They make great UIs that for sure, but other than that I wouldn't consider them a great software company.

Transmit 4 is one of the slowest FTP clients I've ever used. [0]

Coda 1 and 2 were extremely slow. I remember years ago a coworker had to wait a minute or more to be able to open a medium sized file while Sublime chew it in a second or two.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMACGW7zOcY

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by thamer »

reaperducer wrote: post #206
thamer wrote: post #163

Looks pretty, but is there really no Vim extension? I couldn't find one on the Extensions page. This is a deal-breaker for me, I can't use an editor or IDE without Vim bindings, this would kill my productivity. Is one planned, maybe?

I can't use an editor or IDE without Vim bindings Maybe this part will help: "We have easily customizable key bindings" I don't know if they can be customized to match Vim, but it might be too soon to write Nova off.

As M4v3R noted, what Vim does is not usually possible with just custom key bindings. If you're not familiar with it, I would highly recommend giving it a try; even as a beginner if you know only a few commands it'll still save you a ton of time. I find it hard to watch co-workers press arrow keys repeatedly or select text character by character when the same could be accomplished with one or two key presses.

You have two lines and want to swap them? ddp – that's it. 3 key presses. You have a string on the same line as your cursor and need to replace it? ci" – also 3 key presses (Change Inside "Quote).

No editor has configurable key bindings that can do this.

There are tons of tutorials online; this one seems to explain things pretty well: https://takac.github.io/2013/01/30/vim-grammar/

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by hylaride »

thisisblurry wrote: post #151
spiralganglion wrote: post #73

I see a lot of folks here comparing this to VS Code and asking "Why would I use this instead?" — I am exactly on the opposite side of that equation. Why would I use VS Code when I can use this? I've been using Atom for most of the decade (plus a bit of Sublime, and TextMate before), and I've loved being able to hack it to look and feel exactly how I want. There's a ton of custom CSS in my setup. Now, Atom is slow. Th…

> Well, Atom is no longer supported, so I'm going to have to switch to something anyway. Is there an official source or announcement for this? I've noticed that recent release notes and changelogs have become much less substantial, but I've yet to see anything indicating that it's approaching EOL.

Even if Atom itself is not dead the ecosystem is. The kick that finally got me onto VSCode was the stagnant plugin updates for things that were very important to me.

I haven’t really looked back, except that Atom had better git support in its native UI.

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