Is there any mechanism to rollback to older versions if newer ones break ? PS. non iOS user here
Nope. At least nothing trivial.
iOS 14 is available today
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Re: iOS 14 is available today
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pick a manufacturer that gives you timely updates with a support duration you're happy with, and you're fine. And before you complain "it's insane that I have to do that", you've already done that: just you picked Apple. The mistake people make is in thinking of Android as some monolithic, consistent thing. It's not, and can't and won't be. Buy a Google phone, or a Samsung phone, or whatever, and stick with a manufac…
> The mistake people make is in thinking of Android as some monolithic, consistent thing. Well, the Android branding is all over the place. No one thinks “I’m going to switch to Samsung”. It’s “I’m going to switch to Android”. Android phones are commodity devices.
Absolutely, lots of people are loyal to certain brands or look for the best value/spec in Android devices and make their choice based on that. If people didn't care, everyone would be buying $50 Android devices. Most people I know now even look at the version of Android it comes with.
Re: iOS 14 is available today
#183"Powerful Updates to Messages", lol. Apple hasn't put an ounce of power into messaging. It's been 10 years, and they haven't innovated at all in the message space in any meaningful way (no, Memoji is not a meaningful extension of the messaging space). It's sad to see the lack of energy to actually create powerful and useful software, rather than to doing the bare minimum to compete in the smartphone market.
Huh? It can run other apps inside of it, You can @people inside a group message, pin people to the top, etc.. You may not care for the app, but they update it relatively frequently!
"Update" which includes the most basic of iterations. I mean 95% of the current offerings could be completed in a few 2-week dev cycles. Its been almost 500 weeks of existence....@'ing people and pinning...c'mon!!! That's default stuff. The "iPhone" should be called the "iMessage" if it was true to it's purpose.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
As long as you could approve or reject push notifications on a site by site basis, what is the problem here?
1) I don't want to see the prompts to allow push notifications from a webapp, nor to have to go disable them. I just never want them. 2) Generally I'd rather none of the software I use be webtech, so anything that makes it easier to deliver webtech to my phone/tablet is a step the wrong direction. Yes I'm willing to have less total software in exchange. The point is that I don't want apps that are or will be native,…
> I don't want to see the prompts to allow push notifications from a webapp, nor to have to go disable them. I just never want them.
Surely Apple could implement a setting to disable all requests for push notifications?
> In short, my UX on iOS is better without them even being possible, so why would I prefer they be allowed?
Because not everyone agrees with you and web apps have many advantages over native.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
1) I don't want to see the prompts to allow push notifications from a webapp, nor to have to go disable them. I just never want them. 2) Generally I'd rather none of the software I use be webtech, so anything that makes it easier to deliver webtech to my phone/tablet is a step the wrong direction. Yes I'm willing to have less total software in exchange. The point is that I don't want apps that are or will be native,…
> 1) I don't want to see the prompts to allow push notifications from a webapp... You wouldn't have to get them unless you proactively installed the PWA to your home screen. > 2) Generally I'd rather none of the software I use be webtech, so anything that makes it easier to deliver webtech to my phone/tablet is a step the wrong direction...so no-one can bug me about it or cajole me into using it. That's your only rea…
> You have never experienced this
Actually we have.
In the early days of iOS, Apple never regulated push notifications. And so I remember many apps using them as a reminder pushing notifications daily and sometimes even multiple times a day. There were also companies selling "notification space" within their apps to third parties for use as an advertising channel.
It was pretty awful and it degraded the overall experience of using the iPhone since notifications appear whilst your using other apps.
Apple was right to regulate them. And I hope Apple continues to look after consumers and not allow PWA to use them.
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#186Oh how exciting - now if they only removed their restriction of OS installations on old devices then maybe I could make use of it. As it is it's just another nail in the coffin for me ever being able to download an app ever again because their app store doesn't do backwards compatibility well and everything needs to go through the app store.
The App Store will indeed let you install previous versions of an app if you have an older device.
This needs an asterisks, unless something has changed recently, the steps needed to get an app on an old device are annoying.
If I want to install an app on my 3rd gen iPad, I try to install it directly in the app store, it tells me it requires an updated version of iOS.
I then have to install the app on my iPhone that's running the latest iOS version, then switch back to the iPad, change the app store account from my partner's to my account, and only then am I allowed to install the previous version of the app.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s still not in yet. Been waiting for it all beta as the #1 feature. Going to guess it will be in 14.1
Your favorite apps might just need to get updated to support the new feature.
Yes. Apps need to add support for this.
Right now you can set Chrome or Edge as default Browser, and Outlook as default Mail.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's something you wish existed/suggest?
Threading, better search, tagging, sharing message bits with others, temporary group messages, better in-message features (polls, lists), better ways to send multiple pieces of media in a singular unit, ways to spend "live" time within imessage, higher-level walkie-talkie, ways to schedule messages, ways to send longer forms ("bursting the bubble"), sending rich text in messages,......
Okay. That's a lot of features.
You do understand that the iPhone is designed for the widest of audiences from children to elderly. I don't think making Messages significantly more complex is a good thing.
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#189In 10 years, this is the first time I installed a beta version. It suffered a couple of issues, but they’ve been ironed out in my case. I really love the new app drawer. My hundred barely-used apps are now neatly stowed there while I keep a single (Yes, one) Home Screen. Widgets are nice but from what I understand they’re updated only once every 5 minutes, which makes them a lot less useful.
> updated only once every 5 minutes, which makes them a lot less useful
That's weird, I would expect them to be able to get updates via push notifications. Even so that seems like a pretty minimal limitation. For almost anything other than messaging a 5 minute resolution is probably fine.
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#190Faithful iPhone SE (1st gen) user checking in. Thankful to still be in the club. This will likely our last.
If you're hanging onto it, like me, because it's small and not because it's cheap, there are rumours that the launch of the iPhone 12 in October will include a 5.4" model. It would be the smallest they've released since the original SE, and will have flat edges too.
I have the 2nd gen SE version which is the same shell as the iphone 8. Works great, and meets all my needs.