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Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by michaelmarion »

coryfklein wrote: post #164
michaelmarion wrote: post #160

I’m going to be that guy: I would kill for a Java IDE that looked like this.

That's the first thing I looked for - Java support. Looks like it's not available... for now?

Seems like Panic is billing Nova as a text editor only—not necessarily an IDE. They’d have to add in functionality for a whole host of other things to make that a reality, including compilation, build, debugging, and so on. I doubt all of that can be done with their build scripts and extension framework alone, but, hey—I’ve been wrong before.

The state of the IDE landscape on Mac amazes me. It seems like there a $#!*-ton of Java/C++ developers using standard-issue MacBooks at Big Corp, Inc. who are staring at ugly IntelliJ windows for eight hours a day.

If there was a native-feeling, good-looking IDE for the Mac I can’t imagine why it wouldn’t print money. (Or if XCode ever decided to branch out beyond honest-to-goodness support for things other than Objective-C and Swift...)

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

vosper wrote: post #46

> It's new, hyper-fast, and flexible, with all the features you want: [...] a Minimap Do people actually find the Minimap useful for coding? If so, how? And why is it better/different than just a scrollbar, or searching? I've always thought of Minimaps as a thing that seems like it should be adding something to the interface, but actually isn't at all. Seems like pointless eye-candy, to me. What am I missing?

It's refreshing to hear I'm not the only one who doesn't like those. As stupid as I know this is, the Minimap actually kept me from trying Sublime Text initially, because it seemed like that was the big feature it was pushing in its earliest days. :)

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by mongol »

mattdeboard wrote: post #113
ildon wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm sure there's a VSC plugin for that This part of your comments nails 100% why, for me (web developer, 90% in typescript these days), it's nearly impossible to justify paying for an IDE. Visual Studio code has almost everything that I need, and what it's not baked in, is easily done with a plug-in, which in the worst case I can write myself. But that's really a worst case scenario, since to this date it has never…

I used Emacs for 10 years. When I started writing JS almost exclusively at my current job, I switched finally to VSCode (albeit with emacs keybindings). The plugin/extension experience between emacs and vscode is, of course, almost an apples to oranges comparison. But VSCode is much better in that regard in my opinion. I want yak-free IDE. After ten years my Emacs config is a herd of beautifully shaved yaks. VSCode i…

What does yak refer to? Is it a reference to gnu?

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by orf »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #129
orf wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LSP isn’t “most plugins” though. There are tens of thousands of useful plugins, and only a tiny subset of those add support for new languages.

True... But weighted by importance and effort, LSP-powered plugins are likely above-average, probably by a healthy margin.

Highly disagree. Having support for “python” is good, but useless without support for the ecosystem (poetry, pipenv, requirements.txt, virtualenvs, pytest, a REPL, Django-specific stuff, etc).

Languages are important, but I wouldn’t say they are ahead by a large degree.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by nicoburns »

spiralganglion wrote: post #73

I see a lot of folks here comparing this to VS Code and asking "Why would I use this instead?" — I am exactly on the opposite side of that equation. Why would I use VS Code when I can use this? I've been using Atom for most of the decade (plus a bit of Sublime, and TextMate before), and I've loved being able to hack it to look and feel exactly how I want. There's a ton of custom CSS in my setup. Now, Atom is slow. Th…

I'm still using Sublime. I guess it's less customisable than Atom, but you can't fault it for performance.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

firloop wrote: post #27
xavdid wrote: post #22

I really like their pricing structure here. If you want updates forever, it's functionally a subscription (which makes sense - constant updates require constant dev work). The key difference is that if you stop paying, you keep everything you've paid for previously (the app and all past updates). That's a _great_ way to do a subscription.

Sketch has the same subscription model.

Sketch has a 'soft' way into making you constantly buy subscription. Plugins usually target only the latest released version of Sketch, so if you are dependent on plugins (and you ARE dependent on plugins if you use Sketch), then you either upgrade or eventually lose extended functionality. Because plugin manager will update plugins regardless of their compatibility with your current version.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by nultxt »

hrktb wrote: post #54
threatofrain wrote: post #3

It's strange that Nova would target web tech as their top priority, and not Swift. If you're Mac-exclusive, why not advertise top-class support for Apple ecosystem app development? Since Nova is prioritizing web workflows, VSC is the elephant in the room and a very deadly competitor. It's free and open source, it's available on Windows, MacOS, Linux, and it can also be ported to the web. And it's Insanely popular and…

I wonder if they have a plan to move to iPad their codebase after it’s battle tested. There’s a lack of a serious editor over there, and in particular VS Code can’t compete because of it’s business model.

A serious editor on iPad would be so blessed

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by mwcremer »

mongol wrote: post #174
mattdeboard wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used Emacs for 10 years. When I started writing JS almost exclusively at my current job, I switched finally to VSCode (albeit with emacs keybindings). The plugin/extension experience between emacs and vscode is, of course, almost an apples to oranges comparison. But VSCode is much better in that regard in my opinion. I want yak-free IDE. After ten years my Emacs config is a herd of beautifully shaved yaks. VSCode i…

What does yak refer to? Is it a reference to gnu?

I'm guessing https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yak_shaving

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by PascLeRasc »

spiralganglion wrote: post #73

I see a lot of folks here comparing this to VS Code and asking "Why would I use this instead?" — I am exactly on the opposite side of that equation. Why would I use VS Code when I can use this? I've been using Atom for most of the decade (plus a bit of Sublime, and TextMate before), and I've loved being able to hack it to look and feel exactly how I want. There's a ton of custom CSS in my setup. Now, Atom is slow. Th…

What do you think of Sublime? I'm like you and something about VS Code's design really bothers me. It's incredibly heavy and can't stop getting in my way. Sublime on the other hand feels like a sharp kitchen knife or a carbon road bike, it's amazingly light and nimble to use. I love it.

Really what I miss is 2015-2018 Atom, but it seems like its time has gone.

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