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Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by thisisblurry »

spiralganglion wrote: post #73

I see a lot of folks here comparing this to VS Code and asking "Why would I use this instead?" — I am exactly on the opposite side of that equation. Why would I use VS Code when I can use this? I've been using Atom for most of the decade (plus a bit of Sublime, and TextMate before), and I've loved being able to hack it to look and feel exactly how I want. There's a ton of custom CSS in my setup. Now, Atom is slow. Th…

> Well, Atom is no longer supported, so I'm going to have to switch to something anyway.

Is there an official source or announcement for this? I've noticed that recent release notes and changelogs have become much less substantial, but I've yet to see anything indicating that it's approaching EOL.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

racedude wrote: post #110

I won't be touching it until VIM support is a thing, it feels weird to see or use an editor without support for basic VIM keybindings...

It's not a matter of keybindings -- Nova is a modeless editor, and Vim is a modal one, so you need to have an entirely different interaction model. Not every editor's extension system is capable of that. (AFAIK, Vim itself isn't capable of changing interaction models -- while I've seen "Emacs keybindings" for Vim, they don't make Vim into a modeless editor.)

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by ziftface »

xnz8 wrote: post #140
ziftface wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about this. Could you do iOS app development this way? Or at least native Mac development using cocoa like you could in xcode?

Yes! The build just produces a single executable. For example, in a Mac app this would be the file inside Contents/MacOS. You then need to create a folder with an .app extension, set up a simple folder structure, and add some necessities such as the Info.plist file and your resources like the app icon/images. And codesign or notarize depending on your deployment requirements. Code completion works great for dev and I…

Thank you for sharing!

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by dewey »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #132

They are cutting themselves from so many users... I don't think that macOS has anything special today.

They are a Mac developer shop from day one and that's what they are good at. If they'd start building some hybrid cross-platform solution they'd compete with VSCode and all the other free or cheap editors. Doesn't make sense at all.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by bartread »

mattdeboard wrote: post #113
ildon wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm sure there's a VSC plugin for that This part of your comments nails 100% why, for me (web developer, 90% in typescript these days), it's nearly impossible to justify paying for an IDE. Visual Studio code has almost everything that I need, and what it's not baked in, is easily done with a plug-in, which in the worst case I can write myself. But that's really a worst case scenario, since to this date it has never…

I used Emacs for 10 years. When I started writing JS almost exclusively at my current job, I switched finally to VSCode (albeit with emacs keybindings). The plugin/extension experience between emacs and vscode is, of course, almost an apples to oranges comparison. But VSCode is much better in that regard in my opinion. I want yak-free IDE. After ten years my Emacs config is a herd of beautifully shaved yaks. VSCode i…

The problem I've had with VSCode - and also Sublime, as it happens - is that on a moderately large JS project it's something of a CPU hog. Both editors seem to do a lot of indexing, and this is even with loads of ignore folders configured.

The irony is that this has driven me to try emacs. I am being driven nearly to distraction by the fact that every single operation seems to almost glory in using a different key combination than any other editor I've ever used. Even TAB can't be used for indentation because emacs is "opinionated" (or, as I prefer to call it, "a twat") about it in most modes, but you can get what you want with M-i.

The thing it absolutely seems to nail is performance. I'm getting zero CPU thrashing on the same project, and auto-complete-mode, whilst not quite as good as VSCode's autocomplete, is much better than Sublime's. For one thing it seems to work well across files, even when using ES5 with no typing hints.

The payoff in a cooler laptop and longer battery life is worth the sometimes seething frustration in the meantime.

(Of course, at the moment I'm squandering most of that extra battery life looking up keyboard shortcuts, but that will pass.)

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by deergomoo »

AJRF wrote: post #117

I am so confused why they didn't put efforts into making this an iPad app. There is a market for something like this that developers are crying out for, but on mac why would anyone use this over VSCode (and pay $99 for the privilege?)

I think the main problem is what are you gonna do with the code once you’ve written it? There’s no way to run any sort of server or back-end service on iOS.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

aduitsis wrote: post #63

Delighted that it includes Perl support! (full list: CoffeeScript, CSS, Diff, ERB, Haml, HTML, INI, JavaScript, JSON, JSX, Less, Lua, Markdown, Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, Sass, SCSS, Smarty, SQL, TSX, TypeScript, XML, and YAML)

Well, it has an extension system, so it can have anything somebody makes an extension for. There's already surprisingly good Elixir support.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by tobr »

SirHound wrote: post #11

I've been using the beta version of Nova for a few weeks now and I've almost used my trial period for the 1.0. As a TypeScript developer, if someone made me choose between paying $99 for the actually-free VS Code, or buy Nova, I would by VS Code without hesitation. Before it began getting long in the tooth I was a big Coda fan. On the whole I like VS Code but I do suffer the occasional runaway process so I am open-mi…

> I genuinely think it'll be years before they can charge for this with a straight face.

Well, I payed for it a few days ago, and I don’t remember seeing any crooked faces. I very much enjoy it so far. Considering the scope of the project and the high quality of the design in every nook and cranny of the app, I think it’s a bit of a miracle that something like it even exists. Not even Apple makes Mac apps of this caliber anymore.

I agree that the competition they’re up against is fierce, but criticizing a 1.0 for a few hiccups and a small ecosystem seems misguided. They are offering something no one else is.

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