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Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by atonse »

t0mbstone wrote: post #57

I'm not touching that update with a 10 foot pole. Not until it's been live for at least a week, and developers have had a chance to actually update their apps for it! Honestly, that's just good policy on all Apple updates lately. It seems that more and more of them have been plagued with issues and are trailed by hotfixes. I've learned to just wait a while. Other people can be the test guinea pigs!

I still haven't upgraded to macOS Catalina (first time I've not upgraded macOS). I just don't have half a day to spare with whatever weird stuff it's going to break.

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by divbzero »

Any Android users have insight into the uptake on Instant Apps [1] over the past three years? I’ll be curious how they and the new App Clips [2] in iOS 14 will evolve versus web apps.

[1]: https://developer.android.com/topic/google-play-instant

[2]: https://developer.apple.com/app-clips/

Re: iOS 14 is available today

#103

Post by fakedang »

rbritton wrote: post #73
t0mbstone wrote: post #57

I'm not touching that update with a 10 foot pole. Not until it's been live for at least a week, and developers have had a chance to actually update their apps for it! Honestly, that's just good policy on all Apple updates lately. It seems that more and more of them have been plagued with issues and are trailed by hotfixes. I've learned to just wait a while. Other people can be the test guinea pigs!

Last night I did the final iOS 13 update on all of my devices. I no longer trust any iOS or OS X update at launch -- I wait several months.

I'm curious, if you don't trust iOS at launch or even several months down the line, why bother with it in the first place? Pick up an Android and join the dark side. I'm honestly baffled as to how locked-in Apple users let themselves be, even the tech-savvy ones.

Re: iOS 14 is available today

#104

Post by Ashanmaril »

Zippogriff wrote: post #59
Teckla wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as you could approve or reject push notifications on a site by site basis, what is the problem here?

1) I don't want to see the prompts to allow push notifications from a webapp, nor to have to go disable them. I just never want them. 2) Generally I'd rather none of the software I use be webtech, so anything that makes it easier to deliver webtech to my phone/tablet is a step the wrong direction. Yes I'm willing to have less total software in exchange. The point is that I don't want apps that are or will be native,…

Web notifications are one of the worst things to happen to the modern web. Ever look at your grandma's Samsung phone? She's probably got 5 spam ads saying you won a contest or to claim some offer. Most users are conditioned to just accept whatever popups are shoved in their faces, ESPECIALLY since the EU laws a few years ago that forced every website to tell about their cookies policy. And hell, I've accidentally accepted push notifications from sites throwing a popup in front of me while I was trying to click something else or scroll.

Apple was completely right to not allow web push notifications on iOS. They're 99% abuse. I don't even like them on desktop either.

Re: iOS 14 is available today

#105

Post by wayneftw »

Zippogriff wrote: post #59
Teckla wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as you could approve or reject push notifications on a site by site basis, what is the problem here?

1) I don't want to see the prompts to allow push notifications from a webapp, nor to have to go disable them. I just never want them. 2) Generally I'd rather none of the software I use be webtech, so anything that makes it easier to deliver webtech to my phone/tablet is a step the wrong direction. Yes I'm willing to have less total software in exchange. The point is that I don't want apps that are or will be native,…

> 1) I don't want to see the prompts to allow push notifications from a webapp...

You wouldn't have to get them unless you proactively installed the PWA to your home screen.

> 2) Generally I'd rather none of the software I use be webtech, so anything that makes it easier to deliver webtech to my phone/tablet is a step the wrong direction...so no-one can bug me about it or cajole me into using it.

That's your only reason? Because people ask you to use web apps? Perhaps that's because you want the wrong thing for some reason. You haven't explained what that reason is very well at all.

> In short, my UX on iOS is better without them even being possible...

You have never experienced this, so how could you possibly know? Also, no it wouldn't.

> so why would I prefer they be allowed?

Because you haven't listed any good reasons why you're right, which usually means that you're wrong.

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by phs318u »

atonse wrote: post #101
t0mbstone wrote: post #57

I'm not touching that update with a 10 foot pole. Not until it's been live for at least a week, and developers have had a chance to actually update their apps for it! Honestly, that's just good policy on all Apple updates lately. It seems that more and more of them have been plagued with issues and are trailed by hotfixes. I've learned to just wait a while. Other people can be the test guinea pigs!

I still haven't upgraded to macOS Catalina (first time I've not upgraded macOS). I just don't have half a day to spare with whatever weird stuff it's going to break.

Having ditched macOS because of the sshow that is Catalina I promise you you’ll waste a lot more than half a day on that cluster.

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

divbzero wrote: post #87

One iOS 14 feature I’m really looking forward to is the use of banners instead of full screen notifications for incoming phone calls.

Unbelievable that they stuck with that design for this long. It was even worse before unknown caller filtering was introduced: I would literally be DDoS'd from my phone multiple times a day from random numbers, iirc with no option to decline if your phone was already unlocked (i.e. using it when it a call came through)!!!

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by babypuncher »

applecore wrote: post #10

I'm surprised that AirPods didn't support automatic device switching until now. I assumed a lot of people with AirPods would want to switch the audio seamlessly between their iPhone and an iPad or Mac. Any idea why it took so long to ship this feature?

It wasn't a big deal because manual switching is almost instantaneous, unlike other headphones on other platforms.

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by stu2010 »

divbzero wrote: post #102

Any Android users have insight into the uptake on Instant Apps [1] over the past three years? I’ll be curious how they and the new App Clips [2] in iOS 14 will evolve versus web apps. [1]: https://developer.android.com/topic/google-play-instant [2]: https://developer.apple.com/app-clips/

The last time that I checked, Instant Apps have not been enabled by default on the vast majority of devices.

It's impossible to develop around a feature that must be specifically enabled by digging through settings menus by individual users. As a product owner, there's little way to justify it. As a user, I've run across them less than 10 times in the wild, but they've been delightful and consistently good experiences.

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