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Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Epic doesn’t care about anything except for their own profits.

Just because it's in their self interests does not mean getting rid of the forced walled garden does not benefit other developers. At the end of the users own the devices not apple. It should ultimately be up to the user.

I agree, but that’s not what Epic is fighting for. They are just fighting for a part of the walled garden for themselves.

Rather than supporting Epic as if they are on our side, we need to actually think about what really would be a good alternative.

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I feel that, as industry, we need to move back to the rich, browser-based applications on the mobile phones. Apple-Google duopoly is just not the way to live. As tech community, we can take our power back. I think the good start is to start using web on mobile phones.

It is a matter of time they will make it difficult if not impossible or they will start blocking websites unless authors start paying % per visitor.

Both Google and Apple currently subscribe to the "open internet" philosophy on mobile phones. This was their selling point against the old, "walled garden internet", vendors. If they change that and start blocking the sites, I think we will see a serious backlash. We will begin to switch to Linux phones then. :-)

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I don't even care about iOS. I just despise your definition of value, since it's simply wrong and dangerous.

Whether you despise it or not. It’s the only objective measure that we have to ascertain the value that a population puts on an item.

How can it be objective when every single individual would bid a different price for the same product, if asked without being shown the market price beforehand? It's all about perception and -my friend, I have bad news for you- perception is all but objective. Yes, perception of value can be manipulated through tools like marketing. That doesn't make the product itself anymore (or less) valuable than it actually is.

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Ok - so it sounds like it’s actually not really a problem at all this time around, but if there had been game changing features it might have been? My guess is that Apple would have taken this into account when scheduling the release. If there was some marquee feature where day 1 support was important, this would have been part of Apple’s planning. It’s clear to me that this is really not a big deal at all and that t…

I wouldn't say it's not a big deal. It could very well be a big deal to them. Is it the end of the world? No, I don't think so, but it is very clearly causing a lot of developers pains today, you should at the very least acknowledge that and understand that just because you can shrug it off doesn't mean they can. Something that is severely missing from the world of software, and I suspect engineering in general, is e…

So what word would be good to describe your behavior in writing a long screed that accuses me of lacking empathy? Covid! Fires! Loved ones! US Politics! Oh my! Is this you giving a demonstration of empathy for me?

I have plenty of empathy if developers are actually facing pain. Piling on to attack Apple, not so much. Apple employees also have families and many of them are in California too. I’m guessing they too are affected by all of these issues.

If the original author was able to articulate the pain they are facing, I’d have empathy for them.

They didn’t in fact do so, which is why we’re trying to figure out what the negative impacts would be.

It’s absurd also to suggest that there was an iOS release with no warning. That is simply not true. We’ve been expecting it for months, and we also knew the release schedule would be different this year.

If people are being pressured by managers in some painful way, then I do feel for them, but if that pressure is occurring because managers actually have a false understanding of what is at stake, then it is more empathetic to discuss the misunderstandings about this than it is to just nod along.

It’s really not clear at all what pain anyone should be feeling.

Presumably their apps are ready to go, and all they have to do is submit them and wait.

As we’ve already discussed, almost nobody should be actually discovering bugs now, regardless of Apple’s scheduling.

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Can someone explain what the actual problem is? I’ve been using the betas and all of my existing apps work fine. I’m developing for ios14, and don’t see any particular reason for my app to be out today. What actual adverse effects are there to this? Is there a class of app that runs on ios13 but is broken on ios14?

I think the rub is that a lot of the apps built at these massive companies use unnecessary third party frameworks and build their apps in janky ways, so while the content of their app doesn't appear to need anything special, it's actually standing on top of a house of cards built out of 3rd party APIs that are doing janky things that break between OS updates. If they just built their apps fully natively, using UIKit exclusively, they likely wouldn't have any problems between releases like you, I, and other devs see.

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Yes, absolutely! Just like I'd rather pay for Apple Arcade so that I don't have to wade through the sewage of free-to-play games clicking "no" on in-app purchase requests and hiding spammy notifications. Just like I'd rather pay for streaming services with no ads rather than having to mute commercials on live TV or skip commercials on DVR'd TV. It's not absurd to me to pay for platforms that attempt to preemptively r…

Web notifications are a standard feature, meaning the APIs are in the web standard. Making an hyperbole here, but wouldn't Mosaic 1993 edition solve every issue then?

Reasonable people can disagree about which features are and are not useful. And those reasonable people can purchase smartphones and computers which best cater to their own views about these features.

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Whether you despise it or not. It’s the only objective measure that we have to ascertain the value that a population puts on an item.

How can it be objective when every single individual would bid a different price for the same product, if asked without being shown the market price beforehand? It's all about perception and -my friend, I have bad news for you- perception is all but objective. Yes, perception of value can be manipulated through tools like marketing. That doesn't make the product itself anymore (or less) valuable than it actually is.

That’s the issue. Anyone could respond that they have an app that valuable to only them and their best friend.

What better choice do we have than to measure value across a population? How much value a population places on something based on how much they are willing to pay is objective. Whether that value is utilitarian or based on other factors is subjective.

Are we really arguing about basic supply and demand? Yes suppliers have methods to drive demand.

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Can someone explain what the actual problem is? I’ve been using the betas and all of my existing apps work fine. I’m developing for ios14, and don’t see any particular reason for my app to be out today. What actual adverse effects are there to this? Is there a class of app that runs on ios13 but is broken on ios14?

I think the rub is that a lot of the apps built at these massive companies use unnecessary third party frameworks and build their apps in janky ways, so while the content of their app doesn't appear to need anything special, it's actually standing on top of a house of cards built out of 3rd party APIs that are doing janky things that break between OS updates. If they just built their apps fully natively, using UIKit…

Thanks - this is a very helpful insight.

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Web notifications are a standard feature, meaning the APIs are in the web standard. Making an hyperbole here, but wouldn't Mosaic 1993 edition solve every issue then?

Reasonable people can disagree about which features are and are not useful. And those reasonable people can purchase smartphones and computers which best cater to their own views about these features.

True, but reasonable people that know about web notifications API are less than 1% of Apple customers...

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Past major iOS releases have usually given about a week between the release of the final build to developers (with app submissions opening at the same time) and the release to the general public. This gives developers time to validate their code against the final build of iOS and submit updates if needed, allowing plenty of time for App Review to do their thing. This is also the first point where Apple will accept ap…

Why not ship iOS 14 changes one week late. For most of the apps iOS 13 app should work as is, and for the remaining that requires changes, one week is anyways too less.

One week is usually enough to iron out final GM issues and push a build through review. I don't think I've heard anyone complain about this.
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