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Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

thelastname wrote: post #424
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #405

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The trend against immigration was caused by a combination of unchecked illegal immigration causing economic and cultural pressure against the lower class combined with nearly unchecked immigration causing pressure on the middle class(see H1B exploitation by Disney, tech contracting companies, etc). Fix these issues, and you will fix much of the disdain towards immigrants shown by modern-day Plebs.

> Plebs Workers.

That was an intentional reference to plebians. Most people act on this site like anyone not super-pro immigration is ignorant. My comment was a slight jab towards that mentality without drawing direct conflict.

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Post by around_here »

pldr1234 wrote: post #234
malka wrote: post #218

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US ? Ethics ? I just choked on my coffee.

Such tunnel-minded posters. The GP clearly meant the US is ethical RELATIVE to other countries currently "innovating" i.e. China. Even as stoutly anti-American as my country and people are, I still fervently hope it's the USA and NOT China who prevail in future techno/political battles.

That’s pretty sinophobic. What are you basing your determinations on? US led media?

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Post by around_here »

danielovichdk wrote: post #486
d0gbread wrote: post #422

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Is it awesome? The Chinese government has such power over the people and businesses innovating that there could be significant implications for Chinese citizens, neighboring countries, and the world. Where innovation happens first and how closely it's held affects so much. Your comment strikes me as dangerously optimistic.

Funny really to say this when the USA is backed by corporations, which flows directly into its core government. China is a huge country with a non-democratic ideology. And it works immensly well - just look at all the US corporations which has invested heavily in chineese labor. Oh, and btw. China own what... 20% of US?

China has a very democratic ideology, you just don’t see it from the outside.

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Post by fomine3 »

alpineidyll3 wrote: post #406
bogwog wrote: post #350

Anyone else find it ironic that Google is the subject of one of the biggest anti-trust cases in recent history, and now Schmidt is blaming the US for not innovating enough? Maybe if so much of the tech industry's wealth and resources weren't pooled together into a handful of massive monopolists who have nearly complete control over whether any competitor lives or dies, the US (and really, the entire world) would have…

Just look at tensorflow. It masquerades as enabling open source ai, while really pushing people to pricey, proprietary google cloud compute. How these ppl can keep a straight face, I have no idea.

Kubernetes would be better example.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

shi314 wrote: post #458
LostTrackHowM wrote: post #371

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innovation in Europe can only scale if we achieve a higher degree of unity in Europe, including one common language, one common jurisdiction and law framework. Localization is just too expensive in Europe and hinders scaling. Obviously we already have English, nearly universally spoken as a second or third language in the EU. So I assume you mean English, or some other language as the first language. Which I think me…

If English becomes national language, you could forget about innovation. A big reason why China and SK are successful is language barrier. It effectively stops brain drain and thus, increase innovation. All countries with either main language or secondary language as English has already lost tech market. Just look at foreign competitors of Amazon, Google, Facebook etc. Even Russia like country have major tech compani…

What Russian tech have you ever used?

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Post by throwawayinfo »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #310
throwawayinfo wrote: post #299

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But it's still terribly fragile and Brexit risks the whole thing collapsing. Not necessarily an innovation if it won't stand up to time.

> Brexit risks the whole thing collapsing I know it's off topic, but could you clarify how you could see this happening? I mean the only issue I can see is that the EU will end up with multiple, smaller finanical centres, hindering scale. But other than that, I can't see the problems of EU with respect to Brexit. Now, the euro without transfers, that's a bloody problem, but that's been a real problem for 20 years, an…

If Brexit succeeds then other countries will plan a leave of their own. That's the reason for all these punitive measures the EU is putting on the UK.

Innovation must stand up to the test of time, but history teaches us that large empires and political unions generally don't. Even the US might be having trouble one day.

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Post by rewq4321 »

scottlocklin wrote: post #379
puranjay wrote: post #351

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Yandex Maps is much better in Russia than Google Maps. I also found Yandex's image text translation capabilities to be much superior than Google

Yandex is a great example of a company which absolutely squashes Google on technical chops wherever it has tried to compete; and it only has 9000 employees (compared to Google's 120,000).

Not entirely related to this discussion, but one thing I know about Yandex: Their web crawlers are ruthless. They hammer my sites to the point where I need to specifically throttle them based on their "from" header (they seem to ignore 429s - they simply make requests with a different IP).

This is only a problem because I have a few sites that are like "search engines" in that they have basically an infinite number of pages (one for each possible search term), and so they just keep crawling the "related searches" links. It's probably not a problem for most sites, but it's a pain for me.

Google seems to more strategically crawl pages based on search terms that they know are popular, whereas Yandex just crawls every possible link it can find.

All of that said, I'm quite happy to deal with it for the benefit of having another competitor to Google - the more the merrier. Hopefully one day they add some more "smarts" to their crawlers though - starting with respecting 429s across all their IPs, perhaps.

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Post by fastball »

Nasrudith wrote: post #518
fastball wrote: post #281

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Eh, I'm actually not sure it's that simple. Something tells me the modern left (which generally isn't seen as xenophobic or nationalistic) would not take very kindly to the importation of Nazi rocket scientists in [current year].

The number of Nazi rocket scientests is also truly negligible in 2020 unlike the 1940s.

You've definitely missed my point.

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Post by ekianjo »

ausbah wrote: post #50
ekianjo wrote: post #36

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> I say work a job that pays, and that you can tolerate, then do what you enjoy in your free time. That's not what kids want to hear these days. They want life to be easy, and a big government ready to issue a wide safety net for them if they make bad choices in life. Perpetual childhood.

older generations always think younger generations are completely rotten for some reason

Well I know me and my peers were not asking for that when we were 20. Culture changes.

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Post by scottlocklin »

rewq4321 wrote: post #557
scottlocklin wrote: post #379

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Yandex is a great example of a company which absolutely squashes Google on technical chops wherever it has tried to compete; and it only has 9000 employees (compared to Google's 120,000).

Not entirely related to this discussion, but one thing I know about Yandex: Their web crawlers are ruthless . They hammer my sites to the point where I need to specifically throttle them based on their "from" header (they seem to ignore 429s - they simply make requests with a different IP). This is only a problem because I have a few sites that are like "search engines" in that they have basically an infinite number…

In modern Russia search engine search you. They actually answer their email; if you ask them they'll probably stop.
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