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Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

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Re: Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

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It feels like the earth is dying. I wonder if the human population has longer than 20 years of tolerable existence left on this planet.

The planet is fine. What would make you believe that, based on 5 billion years of geological history?

The planet may be fine; humanity's place on the planet might not be. That's typically assumed when a human comments about the planet.

Re: Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

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post #4

I've heard smoke inhalation cited as a possible cause for this, but it looks too early for a definitive explanation.

It would make sense. Most areas in California are covered in a cloud of smoke so thick it looks like fog. Where I live in San Diego it's been that way for the past week.

Re: Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

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“Climate crisis” is starting to become the laziest explanation for why anything unusual happens in this country. Are you telling me these birds never did their migration above forest fires? Tell us why it’s different.

It isn't necessarily different. Mass die-offs with birds happen periodically, and it is always jarring and always causes some form of investigation or introspection. Sometimes the introspection rules out any human involvement, other times it doesn't.

This article is about noting its happening and looking at what's visibly different right now, while the actual investigation goes on.

Re: Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

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“Climate crisis” is starting to become the laziest explanation for why anything unusual happens in this country. Are you telling me these birds never did their migration above forest fires? Tell us why it’s different.

Sometimes, if you find something like this to be unbelievable, you have to step back and ask yourself: What would things look like if the "climate crisis" answer was true? Take the premise that you disagree with, assume that it's true, and try to follow logically from there.

In this case, a real climate crisis would have incredibly broad effects. It could very plausibly be pointed to as the cause for the many things people are pointing to as being related to a "climate crisis."

So the idea that climate change as at least a significant factor in many unusual happenings in the country (and the world) is a "lazy" explanation doesn't follow logically. Either significant climate change is happening, in which case it is affecting basically everything, or it isn't, in which case it's not "lazy", it's just wrong, but based on a premise that makes it reasonable. (And also, we would need a whole bunch of new explanations for why all these previously-extremely-unusual events were happening, which, honestly, isn't that actually even scarier than the idea that it's climate change? We can see all these crazy things happening; if we don't even have a clue what's causing them, how is that not much scarier than what we already know?)

Re: Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The planet is fine. What would make you believe that, based on 5 billion years of geological history?

There's always a comment like this. How about "The habitability of this planet is dropping like a brick."

Habitability for humans. It's more or less a self-correcting problem

Re: Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

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post #4

I've heard smoke inhalation cited as a possible cause for this, but it looks too early for a definitive explanation.

We live in the bowl of Pasadena a few miles (~6) from the Bobcat fire. Current AQI is 343.

We have a lot of hummingbirds in our yard usually. We do a lot of planter boxing farming and gardening. For the past three days we’ve seen most of the hummingbirds on the ground in clover instead of in our trees where they normally are.

We’ve been wondering if they are flying low to avoid smoke or if they are being impeded by smoke inhalation. :(

Re: Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

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“Climate crisis” is starting to become the laziest explanation for why anything unusual happens in this country. Are you telling me these birds never did their migration above forest fires? Tell us why it’s different.

> Tell us why it’s different.

Scope and scale. A larger part of the country is on fire than is typical, and the resulting smoke is denser and deadlier.

But to broadly address your question, the answer will usually be "Scope and Scale" (and occasionally quantity), with both being larger for a given natural phenomenon.

Re: Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The planet is fine. What would make you believe that, based on 5 billion years of geological history?

The planet may be fine; humanity's place on the planet might not be. That's typically assumed when a human comments about the planet.

It is important to remember this framing, though. So that we remember what we want, and can take the right actions to get there. We want a healthy, happy life for these X humans and to accommodate that we need Y, Z.

I don't think everyone understands this, and I also think it is a key to reaching more people with the message - of why we need to make changes to the status quo.

Re: Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

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I have been told on this forum that the men and women working in wildlife conservation are in it for vanity or for self gratification. Relatedly, I have been told on this forum that there is nothing that regular folks can do about climate change.

But then events like this happen, and no one reflects on how fatally pessimistic this community can be. Are we ourselves not capable of forecasting the effect of a burning state on migration patterns? Are we as a society not blessed with enough resources to intervene? If we could all agree to do something—no matter how trivial—to minimize the destruction, instead of doing nothing and attacking the ideas of those who do anything, maybe the aggregate effect would be that events like this are avoided.

If you’re in this fight, please let me know how else I can help. I’m going to check on my bird feeders in the meantime.

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