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The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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I moved back into my parents house after my lease expired, primarily to have regular social interaction again. > "While moving back home during the pandemic makes sense and is seen as socially acceptable or even smart, it also means you are living with people who still see you as your 18-year-old self." One of the biggest things I’ve noticed among millennials is how many parents fail to understand the emotional and m…

I really don't understand the argument of "time to grow up" if a person lived without parents fine for years. Obviously he/she had already grown up.

Living with parents and being "grown up" are almost entirely orthogonal in well-adjusted societies.

The fact that it's somehow related in American culture is very unfortunate.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Millennials face a very real risk of being a lost generation financially. They have endured 2 major, years long recessions, and now the Covid pandemic coupled with social isolation and massive unemployment that does not appear to have an end date in sight. Housing is more expensive for them than prior generations, wages are stagnant, school is expensive and social conflict is also currently on deck. WW2 was of course…

>> WW2 was of course a much more trying time Really? Lives were lost, but WWII came and went rather quickly, a handful of years. Millenials are dealing with multi-decade problems, potential solutions to which are discussed in terms of generations, decades rather than years. For perspective: US WWII deaths: 407k over ~6 years. US COVID Deaths: 196k and counting over ONE year. So, even adjusted for population growth, t…

Did you forget that non-white people existed in the USA 1945-1965? Or did their experience not matter?

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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I'm my early 20s and in the UK. I earn more than my Dad who is in his 50s. He managed to get a house, have money left over for an expensive hobby, decent car, the odd holiday etc. I'm a 90th percentile earner. Will 95+ percentile earner in a few years time. Yet it feels like I am not as well off as I should be. I don't live in an expensive area either. Yet I need to save so much money to even have the opportunity to…

High tax rates are what causes this. You are effectively giving away half your wage to sustain a completely unknown person leeching off the government.

At least in the US, this isn't true, tax rates have fallen over the last 40 years

https://taxfoundation.org/us-federal-individual-income-tax-r...

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High tax rates are what causes this. You are effectively giving away half your wage to sustain a completely unknown person leeching off the government.

At least in the US, this isn't true, tax rates have fallen over the last 40 years https://taxfoundation.org/us-federal-individual-income-tax-r...

Talking about Europe here

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

#125

Those parents often shout about "greedy developers" (or, if pressed, "parking and neighbourhood character") when, heaven forfend, someone tries to build new homes near them. Treating homes an investment was one of the worst mistakes of the 20th century.

You say mistake as if it were an intentional choice that turned out to be a bad one. I don't know my history of this subject very well, did policymakers really sit down and encourage homes to be treated as investment, leading them to become less affordable? Or were homes becoming less affordable just the natural consequence of having an expanding population and fixed supply of land? I'd always sort of assumed the lat…

There is a good NPR Podcast about the mortgage interest deduction and how it led to many unintended consequences like inflated prices and oversize houses, high mortgage debts, etc. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018/05/23/613834765/most...

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

#126

Millennials face a very real risk of being a lost generation financially. They have endured 2 major, years long recessions, and now the Covid pandemic coupled with social isolation and massive unemployment that does not appear to have an end date in sight. Housing is more expensive for them than prior generations, wages are stagnant, school is expensive and social conflict is also currently on deck. WW2 was of course…

Sorry to nitpick but the social isolation and massive unemployment are being caused by our response to the pandemic, not by the pandemic itself. Lockdowns are a choice, with tradeoffs.

Death or lifelong respiratory syndrome isn't a great way to live either.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is refinancing not a thing in Europe?

Not sure about the rest of the EU, but in the UK it's unusual to have very long-term mortgages that seems to be described here. The norm is 2->3 year variable rate (tracking an underlying rate + a %) or a 2->5 year fixed, maybe a 10 year fixed. After that they tend to 'default' to a worse rate for the remainder, but with no penalties generally for switching. Remortgaging is a normal part of life, but you can imagine…

The US doesn't have the penalty fees, only transaction fees.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

#128

I hope we see a cultural shift toward recognizing that so-called "flyover country" is actually ripe for re-development and cultural renewal. There are tens of thousands of small towns and cities in the Midwest in which buying a house is still possible for the average middle-class person. The main issue, of course, is the lack of jobs in the area, but with remote work growing, that might become less of an issue.

Also, many rural areas have cooperatives for their internet and have gigabit fiber, now. I live 40-50 minutes from the closest 'town' and 3-4 hours from the closest urban center, and I will have fiber by the end of this month. Remote work is absolutely an option.

That being said, no one should consider flyover country to move to. Please stay away from my flyover country, it's bad enough with east and west coast investment firms buying all the property and driving regular folks out of the market entirely. When my partner and I bought the property our home is on, in 2009, we paid ~$3,000/acre. This was a high price.

The place next to ours sold last week for ~$13,000/acre to an investment firm from New Jersey.

I feel a shift coming, and I feel like the smart money is way out in front of it - buying up land that would be ripe for development once people figure out how much cheaper it is in the country.

And it's killing the people who live out here, right now. I can't imagine what it will look like if people start moving out here.

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

#129
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally at least, all of my friends around my age (32) have by now managed to buy homes at very reasonable rates ( Meanwhile my parents are stuck with their much higher 10% boom years interest rate, even though the absolute amount was much lower initially. Of course this is in Europe, not the states.

Low interest rates are nice, but how many years do you need to work with an average middle class income to pay for an average flat/house? I live in Munich, and it's difficult to imagine that I can ever buy a house here, even with a relatively good salary.

7 billion people in the world. We can't all live in the few best cities. Why should it be so cheap to live there, if everywhere else is unacceptable to you?

Re: The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now living with their parents

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Its pretty disgraceful that for 99.99% of millennials covid is just a mild disease. We're shutting down everything for the benefit of baby boomers again. When its all over there will be no thank-you. House prices aren't even getting cheaper so young people again be shafted. Its crazy.

This comment posted on a computer invented by baby boomers.
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