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Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by Joeri »

harha wrote: post #15
microtonal wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui I switched from macOS to Linux. GNOME and others are pretty good these days. I did try Windows + WSL2 out of curiosity, but my brain is just fundamentally incompatible with non-unix systems. Moreover, I was really annoyed that when Windows installed drivers a…

Coming from Mac and Linux, I sometimes need to use Windows and I'm always surprised how they managed to make it so incredibly difficult to use and bloated. A minimal version of Windows along with a good package manager and a UX closer to Windows 2000 (or at least without the whole Control Panel / Settings App confusion) would be amazing.

Supposedly windows 10X will be that thing.

I have to say I find the settings / control panel dichotomy issue overblown. I rarely need to go into control panel anymore, and pretty much never without it being a clickthrough from the new settings app.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by Alopis »

microtonal wrote: post #10
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui I switched from macOS to Linux. GNOME and others are pretty good these days. I did try Windows + WSL2 out of curiosity, but my brain is just fundamentally incompatible with non-unix systems. Moreover, I was really annoyed that when Windows installed drivers a…

Looking at the AMD and nVidia software, I see it surfacing a lot of hardware-/vendor-specific options and I don't see how it could be done any differently. Then there's Realtek, where I've never seen their software add anything useful that doesn't already exist in system settings. But then again, there are drivers like those for the Xonar DX or other soundcards where a bunch of useful features and configuration options are surfaced.

I think there are pros and cons. PulseAudio could possibly be half the incomprehensible monstrosity that it is if it didn't have to take over the responsibilities of every audio driver out there. On the other hand, Realtek will arbitrarily disable/hide features with no way (that I've found) to do anything about as a user.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by EE84M3i »

smartmic wrote: post #18
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

For me it feels quite the opposite. OS X is built upon on a Unix core and shares such common heritage. There is consistency in the design throughout all OS levels. On the contrary with Windows and GNU/Linux, IMHO two very incompatible architectures. The business rationale for Microsoft behind this is clear but hybrids represent mostly a temporary transition state. So the question is, what comes next, where is the jou…

>There is consistency in the design throughout all OS levels.

There is...? What sort of examples come to mind?

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by Alopis »

Joeri wrote: post #21
harha wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coming from Mac and Linux, I sometimes need to use Windows and I'm always surprised how they managed to make it so incredibly difficult to use and bloated. A minimal version of Windows along with a good package manager and a UX closer to Windows 2000 (or at least without the whole Control Panel / Settings App confusion) would be amazing.

Supposedly windows 10X will be that thing. I have to say I find the settings / control panel dichotomy issue overblown. I rarely need to go into control panel anymore, and pretty much never without it being a clickthrough from the new settings app.

I primarily care about how terrible the new settings window is and that it's a step back from the Control Panel in too many ways to ignore. What's with all the wasteful white space? What's with the inability to multi-task settings?

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by tilolebo »

selsta wrote: post #9
kubanczyk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ecosystem is already there for devs, except for those interested with directly interacting with their laptop's hardware. I've migrated from MBP to Win10 WSL three months ago and it's like a breath of fresh air for general $DayJob backend CRUD-like work. I'd still prefer a Linux laptop, but WSL is so much closer to a real Linux box. I don't think I touched PowerShell or any .BAT stuff even once.

WSL2 is a simple virtual machine. Nothing you couldn’t do on macOS with e.g. multipass.

WSL2 is a simple VM like Docker is a simple Linux container.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

microtonal wrote: post #19
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter how the hypervisor is arranged, but it is still just a virtual machine. Just because it happens to run on a type1 vs type2 hypervisor means not much, or just go ask around whether Xen is any faster than KVM these days.

But the filesystem integration is much better than a VM in macOS, being able to run Window programs from Linux, etc. Also, Windows has decent X11 servers that work well with retina displays, which can't be said of XQuartz.

"Windows programs for Linux"? It doesn't really have any better filesystem integration. The filesystem is stored on a disk image on WSL2 as on any other VM. You can mount other host filesystems from inside the VM in any hypervisor I know of.

Ack on XQuartz being crap (thought it does have Retina support these days, at least for non-rootless mode), but this is not really a problem of the VM.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by merb »

microtonal wrote: post #10
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui I switched from macOS to Linux. GNOME and others are pretty good these days. I did try Windows + WSL2 out of curiosity, but my brain is just fundamentally incompatible with non-unix systems. Moreover, I was really annoyed that when Windows installed drivers a…

oh yeah intel drivers. which nowadays open a webserver at some useful ports

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by microtonal »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #26
microtonal wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the filesystem integration is much better than a VM in macOS, being able to run Window programs from Linux, etc. Also, Windows has decent X11 servers that work well with retina displays, which can't be said of XQuartz.

"Windows programs for Linux"? It doesn't really have any better filesystem integration. The filesystem is stored on a disk image on WSL2 as on any other VM. You can mount other host filesystems from inside the VM in any hypervisor I know of. Ack on XQuartz being crap (thought it does have Retina support these days, at least for non-rootless mode), but this is not really a problem of the VM.

"Windows programs for Linux"?

Whoops, typo. Windows programs from Linux, I'll fix that.

You can mount other host filesystems from inside the VM in any hypervisor I know of.

In most hypervisors you can't do a

  notepad.exe foo.txt
or

  TextEdit.app foo.txt
for that matter in a Linux VM,

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by skinkestek »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #26
microtonal wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the filesystem integration is much better than a VM in macOS, being able to run Window programs from Linux, etc. Also, Windows has decent X11 servers that work well with retina displays, which can't be said of XQuartz.

"Windows programs for Linux"? It doesn't really have any better filesystem integration. The filesystem is stored on a disk image on WSL2 as on any other VM. You can mount other host filesystems from inside the VM in any hypervisor I know of. Ack on XQuartz being crap (thought it does have Retina support these days, at least for non-rootless mode), but this is not really a problem of the VM.

It works so crazy well that sometimes it works and then I stop and think: how did that work.

Example: I type code ./somefolder in WSL and it opens VSCode on Windows, editing the folder I specified.

Edit: danieldk replied just before me, but I think my answer adds to that instead of just duplicating danieldks.

Also danieldks answer highlights something important: it doesn't seem to be just magic shell wrappers (or if it is they are truly magic).

VSCode is somewhat special when it comes to editing files, Notepad is not.

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