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Introducing Prompt. Nice SSH for iOS.

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> really? I need to sort through 32 terminal emulators to use ssh on my Debian machine? Really? Unless you installed debian-minimal, and installed the gui piecemeal from there, your system came with a terminal emulator (gnome-terminal or kterm) in a nice menu, which will work perfectly as soon as you type 'ssh myserver.tld'. Besides, it's not like Prompt is the only terminal emulator/ssh client available on the app s…

Really? – yes. Normally I go with the defaults, but on my netbook for linux work on the road I didn't want to lose a lot of screen real estate to menu bars and window ornaments. Honestly I was only using X because the dark blue on black text in some emacs coloration was illegible, but fixing the console to get dark blue far enough off of black to be legible eluded me. I nearly got there with 'slim' and 'awesome' and…

>tiled window manager meets the legion of floating windows with strange ideas about window manager hinting

In case you still care, XMonad has some special configs to allow gimp to crap its windows all over some virtual desktop (which I recommend you reserve solely for gimp).

Re: Introducing Prompt. Nice SSH for iOS.

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You know there are many cheaper and free ssh clients for iOS, right?

Free ssh client for iOS? Do you have an example? I'm genuinely interested, but haven't found one.

ZaTelnet. The terrible name seems to keep it from ever being popular.

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Making a good SSH client for touchscreen devices is hard. Touchscreen devices have limited screen real estate and non-standard (read: limited) keyboards. As to the language: Clean and crisp say both pretty much the same thing in that sentence, crisp is only along for the alliteration (as is cheerful). My Latin teacher would be delighted. It's marketing, but it also makes sense. Not all apps are created equal, even if…

> It's more about selling you the keyboard (a suitable keyboard for SSH clients doesn't come standard with touchscreen devices) than about selling you the client. If that's the case, why not mention it a bit more in the post? I agree that a good keyboard layout is important, but the closest they come is saying "customizable special keys". I like iSSH's ability to do a semi-transparent overlay keyboard to maximize scr…

I've been using iSSH for a long time. I can't get the arrow keys to work. And even when I use a bluetooth keyboard, I can't get the CNTRL key to work.

Prompt seems to have fixed these issues, and I'm really happy to give them my $5.

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Anyone downloaded this? Anyone have a sense of how it compares to any other ssh clients? I was super excited when I downloaded TouchTerm, but it was just so difficult to do anything with it on my iPhone that I gave up, despite thinking it was very clever. The Prompt screenshots at least look a lot cleaner than TouchTerm's, but I don't want to go through another fit of excitement only to never actually use it.

I downloaded it. I was a long time iSSH user on iPhone and iPad (with external keyboard). I'll be using this instead. Emulation looks better, arrow keys are easier to find and use, and it looks better. I'm a sucker for a pretty face.

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What you're pointing out is a quality of the Mac community, which has a certain amount of overlap with the iOS community. In this particular case, the company - Panic - is a highly regarded indie Mac developer so the copy reads like how it would for Mac apps. Many Mac users geek out on user interfaces that are sparse and simple and uncluttered - this is the audience to which this SSH client is pandering so it's no su…

Be that as it may, but, uh...... When I PuTTY into a Linux box or, on a linux box, type "ssh me@sweetbox", I don't see any clutter. It's pretty sparse and simple - just a brief prompt and a blinking cursor. I don't even know how it could become more than that... I think it speaks volumes about the progress of iOS apps (and iOS in general) towards being a usable computer that a SSH client is exciting.

Right, because with PuTTY on your Linux box, you don't need a virtual keyboard on the screen. Most of the complexity is off-screen. Touch devices don't have that luxury. Now imagine PuTTY with a virtual keyboard built in and you start to see some clutter.

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Agree, but iSSH is also crammed with helpful features like public key authentication. Prompt is going to have to match those to become a favorite of the hacker crowd.

Prompt does have public key authentication.

It wasn't clear to me how fully supported this is. Lots of people have had issues with this, see the comments: http://www.panic.com/blog/2011/04/introducing-prompt-ssh-for...

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Wait, what? ssh is simple . I suspect that the typical person needing to SSH into a box is already someone who knows how to operate in UNIX. Otherwise, you're using the wrong protocol.

It's not clear to me what you're objecting to. This isn't a conversation about the simplicity (or not) of the SSH protocol, but rather a conversation on why it's exciting when good, simple tools like Prompt are created.

You're making a category error against SSH with examples like knives, which have a lot of variation. Let's see you write as much about having used a "really nice chopstick" or typing an especially round period at the end of a sentence.

There's a paradox here where ssh is already a good, simple tool, so how do you improve on that? Make it easier to type on an iPad? I don't think that's going to happen, so let's take a step back: putty, SecureCRT? Those can certainly have some improvements to their interfaces made. So, we move from ssh client to SSH Application.

Now, we get to the meat: given that you can hook an iPad to one of those keyboard docks, does this make a compelling thin client? Anybody?

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Does anyone else have a major problem with the idea of using a closed-source SSH client? Even if it is App Store reviewed, I just can't bring myself to type production passwords into such a thing. For this reason, and because I'd also like an on-the-go SSH client setup that works on other devices, it would be great to see a browser based terminal emulator and pty muxer like ajaxterm [1] really take off. It's almost t…

Even in your preferred case, you're typing your passwords into a closed source browser on a closed source OS. You have to trust someone at some point. Panic also seems to be a quite reputable company. They've been in the Mac software business for a long time.

> Even in your preferred case, you're typing your passwords into a closed source browser on a closed source OS.

One could argue that iOS / Mobile Safari are both under incomparably more pressure to remain secure compared to any individual app, but you're totally right on a fundamental level. The truly paranoid should demand openness at all layers.

> You have to trust someone at some point.

Whole 'nother debate. ;)

> Panic also seems to be a quite reputable company. They've been in the Mac software business for a long time.

No doubt about that. I wasn't insinuating anything about their intentions (this didn't even occur to me until your comment). Just that an SSH client is a pretty complex piece of software, and there are plenty of ways to make mistakes. We've come a long way since the days of telnet and scrutiny / skepticism has played a big part in that.

Re: Introducing Prompt. Nice SSH for iOS.

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Hey @panic - I love the shiny new products, but could you pretty please update Coda a bit? It used to be my favorite editor, but the lack of git is killing me!

I thought git integration into Coda was an absolute must but after using Git Tower, command line (inevitable) and really understanding how git works (http://ftp.newartisans.com/pub/git.from.bottom.up.pdf) I've surprised myself in that I don't see git integration as important any more.

More interested in code folding. Now THAT would be sweet.

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