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Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by gwbas1c »

zimpenfish wrote: post #199
gwbas1c wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A layover isn't entering the country. You don't need to go through customs.

Do you have a citation for that? Because all the Kiwis I know have to get ESTAs when they go through LAX. Here's Air NewZealand's page which says you need an ESTA to go through LAX: https://www.airnewzealand.co.uk/flights-to-auckland "All passengers that travel via Los Angeles International Airport, must be travelling on their own machine readable passports and complete the ESTA online form at least 72 hours prior to…

When you read the page about connecting in LA, it's very clear that you do not go through customs.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by zimpenfish »

gwbas1c wrote: post #201
zimpenfish wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a citation for that? Because all the Kiwis I know have to get ESTAs when they go through LAX. Here's Air NewZealand's page which says you need an ESTA to go through LAX: https://www.airnewzealand.co.uk/flights-to-auckland "All passengers that travel via Los Angeles International Airport, must be travelling on their own machine readable passports and complete the ESTA online form at least 72 hours prior to…

When you read the page about connecting in LA, it's very clear that you do not go through customs.

https://www.airnewzealand.co.uk/connecting-at-los-angeles

* Changing aircraft (NZ1 - NZ5 & NZ6 - NZ2) - Clear customs * Connecting from Air New Zealand to another airline - Clear customs * Connecting from an international flight - Clear customs

The only one that doesn't specifically say "Clear customs" is:

* Continuing on the same aircraft (NZ1 & NZ2)

That does say "directed by ground staff to US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) processing" but apparently the luggage does stay on the plane. (Although this route disappears in a month because almost no-one uses it, "I concede that <7% of passengers from LHR to AKL won't need to specifically go through customs with their luggage.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by dwheeler »

dav43 wrote: post #200
dwheeler wrote: post #4

This is absurd. I'm a US citizen, so I'll contact my Congressman to have his staff look into it. I don't have any special power, any US citizen can contact their congressman, but maybe that will kick-start something.

Good luck - if you get traction please post an update. I too love shouting into the void of bureaucracy.

I've had a phone call, and email, and a follow-up email from my congressman's office to discuss this case. Again, that's no guarantee that the result will be what we want, but there is clearly traction.

Again it's not like my congressman is talking to me, but I was not expecting that. For Congressional staff this is just part of the job.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by shifto »

svnpenn wrote: post #39

If you know Daniel, you know that this is one of the stupidest things the US government could possibly do regarding immigration. Daniel is literally one of the most brilliant computer programmers alive today. He created cURL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CURL A program so ubiquitous that it comes preinstalled on every mainstream OS, even Windows. It has bindings for Rust, D, PHP and God knows how many other language…

To clarify; CURL isn't in Windows. CURL in Windows is an alias for the Invoke-Webrequest cmdlet.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by DanBC »

shifto wrote: post #204
svnpenn wrote: post #39

If you know Daniel, you know that this is one of the stupidest things the US government could possibly do regarding immigration. Daniel is literally one of the most brilliant computer programmers alive today. He created cURL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CURL A program so ubiquitous that it comes preinstalled on every mainstream OS, even Windows. It has bindings for Rust, D, PHP and God knows how many other language…

To clarify; CURL isn't in Windows. CURL in Windows is an alias for the Invoke-Webrequest cmdlet.

This post suggests that they're using real curl.

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/containers/tar-and-cu...

> Tar and curl are staples in a developer’s toolbox; beginning today, you’ll find these tools are available from the command-line for all SKUs of Windows. And yes, they're the same tools you've come to know and love!

Running curl -V on my Windows gives me this. Is it wrong?

  curl 7.55.1 (Windows) libcurl/7.55.1 WinSSL
  Release-Date: 2017-11-14, security patched: 2019-11-05
  Protocols: dict file ftp ftps http https imap imaps pop3 pop3s smtp smtps telnet tftp
  Features: AsynchDNS IPv6 Largefile SSPI Kerberos SPNEGO NTLM SSL

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by shifto »

DanBC wrote: post #205
shifto wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To clarify; CURL isn't in Windows. CURL in Windows is an alias for the Invoke-Webrequest cmdlet.

This post suggests that they're using real curl. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/containers/tar-and-cu... > Tar and curl are staples in a developer’s toolbox; beginning today, you’ll find these tools are available from the command-line for all SKUs of Windows. And yes, they're the same tools you've come to know and love! Running curl -V on my Windows gives me this. Is it wrong? curl 7.55.1 (Windows) libcurl/7.…

Which version are you using? In Win2016 if I try in CMD I get "'curl' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file." And when I try in Powershell I get "cmdlet Invoke-WebRequest at command pipeline position 1 Supply values for the following parameters: Uri:"

Edit: It seems to work in CMD in server 2019 and onwards.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by DanBC »

shifto wrote: post #206
DanBC wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post suggests that they're using real curl. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/containers/tar-and-cu... > Tar and curl are staples in a developer’s toolbox; beginning today, you’ll find these tools are available from the command-line for all SKUs of Windows. And yes, they're the same tools you've come to know and love! Running curl -V on my Windows gives me this. Is it wrong? curl 7.55.1 (Windows) libcurl/7.…

Which version are you using? In Win2016 if I try in CMD I get "'curl' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file." And when I try in Powershell I get "cmdlet Invoke-WebRequest at command pipeline position 1 Supply values for the following parameters: Uri:" Edit: It seems to work in CMD in server 2019 and onwards.

Windows 10 Pro, version 2004, build 19041.508

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by dwheeler »

dwheeler wrote: post #193
rurp wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They've got an army of staff that do nothing but write stock replies, print and sign documents with stamps and mail them back to constituents. While this is certainly true and billionaires have far more sway than a random citizen, I don't think it's quite as dire as you say. I've heard from multiple people who work in politics that letters like these are tracked by the staff and the tallies considered by the repres…

My Congressional Representatives' Office called me this morning. They want a little additional information about Daniel Stenberg, and then they will write a letter to the US Embassy. Obviously that's no guarantee that the problem will be resolved, but at least there are efforts to try to resolve this problem. I hope this breaks the logjam.

I am self replying to give everyone an update. I just got another email from my Congressman's office. It said:

> Our office has submitted an inquiry on your behalf to the US Embassy in Stockholm, Sweden which included a letter of support on behalf of Mr. Stenberg. As soon as we receive a response I will update you accordingly.

Obviously by itself that does not resolve the problem, but at least it will trigger some additional review.

As I noted before, I'm sure my congressman did not directly see any of this, but that isn't the point. This is just the usual way in the US federal government to deal with broken processes.

I'm hoping that this will eventually fix the problem. We will see.

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