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Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by remir »

clairity wrote: post #249
newscracker wrote: post #46

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

i just watched the fitness+ segment. it was so targeted at upper/upper-middle class (white) people, it wasn't even funny (despite, as always, featuring a fair diversity of people). most americans simply don't have the time and mental space to carve out big chunks of time (not to mention living space) to devote $10/mo and a commitment to multiple apple devices that it requires. it's myopic, to say the least. even thou…

iPhones are still selling very well. The Apple Watch has been a massive success. People subscribe to various services. Apple identified that people owning a Watch for fitness reasons may also be interested in a fitness subscription integrated with their Watch. In a pandemic, the demand for such service may be higher. End of story.

I don't see what the problem is, honestly.

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Post by chromedev »

zepto wrote: post #270
chromedev wrote: post #157

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Google didn't betray their promise. Android is open source and Apple not Microsoft have open sourced their operating system.

The claim that Android is open source has long been false. Yes, there is AOSP, but that’s only a small part of what constitutes an OS these days. Here’s a link to a post showing how dismal things are: https://bitcannon.net/post/finding-an-alternative-to-ios/

Does that mean that Linux needs to have Gnome to be considered an OS?

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Post by remir »

netcraft wrote: post #11
slg wrote: post #2

I wouldn't want to be Peleton, Mirror, or one of those similar companies. Is it worth the extra $1000+ up front and $30+ monthly for the Peleton and Mirror trainers to mention your name?

I tend to agree, but its always amazing to me how much that seems to matter to viewers on twitch. The entire streamer business model centers around people paying to have someone say their name.

Loneliness will be one of the big problem of this century.

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Post by clairity »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #292
clairity wrote: post #249

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i just watched the fitness+ segment. it was so targeted at upper/upper-middle class (white) people, it wasn't even funny (despite, as always, featuring a fair diversity of people). most americans simply don't have the time and mental space to carve out big chunks of time (not to mention living space) to devote $10/mo and a commitment to multiple apple devices that it requires. it's myopic, to say the least. even thou…

Who else than the upper-middle class do you think is going to be using a group workout subscription service on their iPhone/watch? And, more interestingly, what would that ad look like? "Ugh, appealing broadly to most Americans is so lame, we should inject some 'inclusive' racial/class flavor!" sounds like the utterance that birthed every cringey ad of the last 10 years.

yes, it was cringey not only for that reason but also for its tone-deafness.

the dissonance comes from a company who's strategy has clearly shifted downmarket and into lower-price services since the peaking of iphone sales in 2015 but is composed of an overwhelming majority of decision makers and marketers too far removed from anything less than an upper(-middle) class existence. they're trying to sell a lifestyle they firmly believe is desirably luxurious to a broad group largely composed of people with starkly different lives and challenges (in a year that's clearly made those differences more readily apparent to all). they slap on a layer of feel-good, socially-conscious color over a monotonous, lululemoned lifestyle to push a decidedly limited-appeal product, and they can't even see the mismatch or disingenuousness of it.

you see the same blindered strategic mistake with news+, icloud, and even tv+, whereas apple music (which, along with ipod, saved apple from irrelevance) actually cut across class and race and appealed to a broad and diverse customer base, and without trying so hard to sell us on it.

besides the interesting socioeconomic angle, fitness+ is a clear indication that apple is losing touch with customers, a dangerous sign for their future.

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Post by commoner »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #266
chromedev wrote: post #259

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Android Location API uses Google services to provide better location data using Wifi hotpsots and other devices. I wouldn't expect to be able to use Google services without Google. You don't have to use it and get accurate results without it as well. As you can see they also provide examples of alternative apps that can be used that do not rely on Google, or you can install F-Droid and use apps from the open source m…

> You don't have to use it and get accurate results without it as well. And this can be applied to nearly every 'improvement' in all Android releases. Can you name any improvements to AOSP in the past five years? All I see on every their presentation is more and more Google Services, FCM, Assistant, etc.

Almost all of the items listed here are improvements to AOSP rather than to Google Play Services, including the changes in the last 5 years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history

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Post by gumby »

biztos wrote: post #200
newscracker wrote: post #46

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

I would prefer the market be more diverse. I spend a fair amount of time on fitness and haven't found any tracking app that floats my boat -- Apple's being especially awful from a UX perspective in my opinion -- and I'd really like to think that if I come up with a better idea, I won't have to subsidize Tim Cook's latest vertical takeover with 30% of my indie revenue, or worse: my customers' indie revenue. At the ris…

> Apple's being especially awful from a UX perspective in my opinion

Well it’s a minimum baseline kind of thing: I use a specific app for skiing and biking but for my needs it’s just fine for hiking, running, IIT. Some others may want specialized apps for those — great! But my needs there are pretty trivial, and actually t acted as the “gateway drug” for me to buy the specialized apps I did.

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Post by gumby »

88840-8855 wrote: post #91
newscracker wrote: post #46

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

I disagree. YET ANOTHER feature that is linked to ONE SINGLE account. If apple decides to block your account, everything is gone. This happened some time ago to my microsoft account - everything gone. And why? Because I have uploaded (automatically) a nude picture of my gf to their cloud, it was detected by their algorithm and my account was locked. I had to communicate with microsoft by a PAPER LETTER(!) to understa…

It’s also a pain for shared resources, e.g. Apple TV

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Post by conception »

clairity wrote: post #249
newscracker wrote: post #46

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

i just watched the fitness+ segment. it was so targeted at upper/upper-middle class (white) people, it wasn't even funny (despite, as always, featuring a fair diversity of people). most americans simply don't have the time and mental space to carve out big chunks of time (not to mention living space) to devote $10/mo and a commitment to multiple apple devices that it requires. it's myopic, to say the least. even thou…

Apple is a luxury brand. The fact they have such a market share is an aberration not the norm. The ex-ceo of Burberry works at Apple. They are for rich folks, 1500 for a phone remember!

Their incredible success has been in convincing non-rich folks their product is worth stretching their finances to get a new one as often as they can.

Every product line is marketed as a luxury product. It’s not surprising that their services are also marketed in the same way.

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Post by coolioxlr »

audrey21emu wrote: post #256
wellthisisgreat wrote: post #88

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You can try https://yoganotch.com - uses motion sensors to give feedback on yoga form

Actually it takes a minute to put four sensors on and calibrate your posture before class. I’ve used it since my gym shut down in March, and do not plan to return there any time soon. This sensor kit with the free app with cool classes totally transformed my practice with respect to the depth, focus and effectiveness. Imagine having a private teacher who is paying attention to you, measuring your posture in Asana, gi…

calibrate

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Post by clajiness »

kmonsen wrote: post #225
greenpizza13 wrote: post #153

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> Can't you see where they're going with this? Can you see the slippery slope you're invoking? Apple owns the operating system you use. That is where it stops in your example. They don't force ownership of software, the network stack, the gym you visit (lol), where you work, etc. Where's your head at, other than "ApPlE BaD"?

Right, but it is almost impossible for anyone else to compete in the ecosystem. If another major fitness brand wants to do the same the probably cannot because: - The tight integration is not possible, only Apple can build these kind of Apple Watch experiences. - They would need to pay Apple 30%, maybe making this not profitable especially against Apple's own offering that can have internal pricing where the 30% neve…

Peloton’s doing a great job, they have an Apple Watch app, and I don’t believe Apple is getting 30% out of them. Peloton’s ecosystem is awesome.
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