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Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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Re: Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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Yup. It's been a fun weekend. Everyone in the family is feeling the cabin fever, but outside (Bellevue, WA) smells like inside of a fireplace. We put a few boxed fans with HEPA filters around the house and they are now black. In hindsight, should've bought more filters, but all the stores and Amazon are sold out for the near future. Speaking about the future, this puts planning in perspective. With the climate changi…

I use these guys to have them shipped. Comes in a few days, but this is going to last a while https://www.secondnature.com/

Re: Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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I refuse to believe that all air filtering fans on Amazon are sold out, especially considering their extreme popularity in countries all over Asia. And even if we assume that’s the case for the sake of argument, you can still buy N95 particle masks of many different brands which will protect you well from particles in the air. They also mostly protect you from viruses. There was a pretty massive supply shortage of th…

Looking at the current Amazon search results for “air purifier”: first one doesn’t ship to California, second is out of stock, third one is ridiculously expensive ($800!) and been shown to have a questionable effectiveness, fourth one can only cover a small room (and won’t arrive until next week), fifth and sixth ones are out of stock. Also most people don’t enjoy wearing an N95 mask for a long time. Imagine wearing…

If people don’t “enjoy” wearing particle masks they are free to breathe smoke and filter the indoor air with their lungs instead. I have worn one for eight hours many times when walking around cities with awful AQI scores and by far the most annoying thing about it is the condensation. You also don’t need “perfect” insulation for there to be a benefit to filtering indoor air, the simple fact that it moves around less means that it will clean up in a way outdoor air can’t. The “air purifiers” you can buy with filters built in are easy to use but at the end of the day they’re nothing more than a fan and a filter with air being forced through it.

And as a final point, you seem to just fall back on the fact that there are shortages as an indication that there’s nothing to be done, and this will soon be “over” anyway. First of all, you don’t know that, and secondly, if you live in an area where this is happening, it will happen again sooner or later. If you have nothing at home to help you filter the air you’re breathing, at least prepare for next time. Disposable particle masks are not a waste of money, they’re cheap and last forever.

Re: Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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And as someone in the PNW these last few weeks were going to be our last hurrah of nice warm weather before the long gray winter too.

I'm not looking forward to this winter. The pandemic so far has been bearable for me because I can go outside and work in the yard and enjoy the nice weather.

I plan on working super hard this winter to be cool about the rain and still enjoy the outdoors up here no matter how wet or miserable it might feel.

Re: Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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I refuse to believe that all air filtering fans on Amazon are sold out, especially considering their extreme popularity in countries all over Asia. And even if we assume that’s the case for the sake of argument, you can still buy N95 particle masks of many different brands which will protect you well from particles in the air. They also mostly protect you from viruses. There was a pretty massive supply shortage of th…

Sold out until this Friday when this is all supposed to be over, unless it's a very weak filter that won't do anything for smoke. Show me where you can get genuine N95 masks (as a non-essential worker) as well please. There are tons of counterfeit masks going around.

Buy it anyway - the fires aren’t going away and the filters are still useful in the absence of smoke.

Masks: https://pksafety.com/3m-7500-series-half-facepiece-respirato...

Filter: https://pksafety.com/3m-2071-p95-particulate-mask-filter-pai...

Re: Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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This description is painting with a wide brush across many different western tree species. A douglasfir forest that burns is going to behave much differently than a late-successional hemlock one.

Why is that? Sap content? I just started reading Hoadley's "Understanding Wood" [0], which has gotten me interested in wood's characteristics. [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1561583588/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...

Some species are specifically adapted to either be able to survive frequent brush fires, and some even require them for seedlings.

Douglas-fir trees have very thick, insulative bark that prevents the live tissue from dying as readily when there's fire. Sequoia trees have cones that are glued shut by resins that only melt after a hot-enough fire, so they can then land and germinate in burnt-over ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotiny

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrophyte

Re: Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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I’m in the midsts of this right now and it’s depressing. I spent yesterday morning with a sore throat and itchy eyes and most of the afternoon hopelessly driving hours away for a box fan and furnace filter (I finally found them). All the while I should have been working. Some of my coworkers have complained of week-long headaches. If anyone else is suffering from this: you are not alone.

I worry about the consequences of prolonged exposure. There is historical precedent that shows we should be concerned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smog_of_London

Would be interesting to know the AQI numbers for London back in the day.

I can see how it may be too late for that...

Re: Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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It’s not my job to help you find N95 masks, they’re available from most hardware stores and definitely from Amazon. I just looked and there’s at least one type available on Amazon that’s not 3M in addition to full respirator masks and everything in between, and it’s easy to find other stores through Google that sell 3M disposable masks if that happens to be the only one you trust. In addition to that, loose particle…

> they’re available from most hardware stores Home Depot, Lowes etc. have been sold out of or have been donating their N95's since this all started. So you're wrong there. Try searching again, like I did. > definitely from Amazon I said genuine . Many of these have been found to be counterfeit. They may not be, but neither you nor I really know. Essential workers have been given priority everywhere in the US for 3M o…

I’m not going to Google for you but I found an online store selling 3M disposable masks out of San Diego in a few minutes. Not that it matters, since you’ve already decided that “everything” in the entire global economy is sold out, and anything that isn’t is probably fake anyway.

I hope you and other people like you take these unprecedented fires as an indication that waiting to buy particle filters until during a fire probably isn’t optimal in the future. Good luck.

Re: Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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> Why not order a few HEPA filter air purifiers? Everyone keeps saying this when they have been all sold out for the past 10 days.

I refuse to believe that all air filtering fans on Amazon are sold out, especially considering their extreme popularity in countries all over Asia. And even if we assume that’s the case for the sake of argument, you can still buy N95 particle masks of many different brands which will protect you well from particles in the air. They also mostly protect you from viruses. There was a pretty massive supply shortage of th…

At least in the Portland area, everything from Amazon is at least a four day delivery estimate. Not that things are sold out (they are in brick&mortar stores, for sure), but the distribution chain is unable to keep up, with people out sick, having evacuated, or even unable to drive as far as fast in the low visibility.

Re: Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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Why in the world would this be a native app and not a web page?

iOS encourages developers to make apps for their services because Safari's features and compatibility lag behind other browsers, and it doesn't implement PWA functionality.

And one of these "features" is arithmetic and displaying a number?

Re: Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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Yup. It's been a fun weekend. Everyone in the family is feeling the cabin fever, but outside (Bellevue, WA) smells like inside of a fireplace. We put a few boxed fans with HEPA filters around the house and they are now black. In hindsight, should've bought more filters, but all the stores and Amazon are sold out for the near future. Speaking about the future, this puts planning in perspective. With the climate changi…

I use these guys to have them shipped. Comes in a few days, but this is going to last a while https://www.secondnature.com/

I realize that air filters are the perfect candidate for a subscription service... but it's just insane the that every product in existence has a business prepared to ship some of it to you monthly.
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