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Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by EricE »

Nullabillity wrote: post #86
EricE wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since privacy is a key differentiator for them (huge financial incentives to actually deliver and not just pay lip service), and there are significant penalties waiting for them if they are lying about protecting privacy (as well as plenty of people who would love to call them out on it), Apple is probably the most trustworthy of any organization if you care about privacy. Also you can keep your data local with Apple…

> huge financial incentives to actually deliver and not just pay lip service Which? It's still all closed source and tivoized, so you're still taking their word for it. At most they'd have to bullshit together some whitepaper about what they claim to do. > and there are significant penalties waiting for them if they are lying about protecting privacy The same "significant" penalties that were applied to Equifax? > Al…

They already have several white papers about how they treat privacy - dunno why you would assume they are bullshit right off the bat.

As for validating their claims I don't need source code for that. There are enough people (like you, apparently) that have an axe to grind that would be more than happy to point out any malfeasance - for me that's far more valuable than having source code available.

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Post by hu3 »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #161
CydeWeys wrote: post #118

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A lot of their competitors (like Peloton) do have actual real-time experiences though, and this is increasingly becoming more of a thing as the pandemic drags on and people want to do real-time classes with their favorite instructors back from the before-times.

There's no way to distinguish them though because it's all one subscription with Peloton - you can take the classes live or watch it on demand afterward. It's not like you're paying per live class.

Well now Peloton doesn't even have the option.

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Post by samatman »

function_seven wrote: post #28
polyomino wrote: post #10

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How hard could it be to synthesize that with deepfakes?

Technically, probably not too difficult. Business-wise, it would be a disaster. As soon as it was discovered (or disclosed) that the trainer saying, “Good hustle, Janet!” is an AI robot, Janet is not going to react the same way.

Unless they were up front with it.

I'm used to Siri talking to me already. Although she rarely says my name, if she were cheering me on during a personalized workout, I'd be lying if I said that wouldn't be motivating.

My fitness 'workflow' is pretty well established, and it's Apple Watch centric already. If this Fitness+ business will count my lift reps for me, I'll probably get it.

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Post by jacobwilliamroy »

greenpizza13 wrote: post #153
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #103

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Do you like the idea of Apple owning the operating system you use, the computer it runs on, all the apps running on that operating system, the entire network stack, all of the network services, the gym you visit, the money you use, the school you attend, the church where you worship, the food that you buy, the place where you work, the hospital where you die? Can't you see where they're going with this?

> Can't you see where they're going with this? Can you see the slippery slope you're invoking? Apple owns the operating system you use. That is where it stops in your example. They don't force ownership of software, the network stack, the gym you visit (lol), where you work, etc. Where's your head at, other than "ApPlE BaD"?

Apple owns your operating system, your hardware. It sells networking devices, printers, misc. peripherals. It offers service as software replacements, for email, file hosting, navigation, speech recognition. Apple has a marketplace for software. It has a marketplace for books. It has a marketplace for multimedia entertainment. It has its own tv. You can handcuff an apple device to your wrist, and let them own your watch, your voice, your fingerprints. Get your head out of the sand.

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Post by gamblor956 »

antimatter15 wrote: post #67

So this must be why last week's updated "App Store Review Guidelines" explicitly excluded "one-to-many realtime experiences". Third party fitness apps need to fork over 30% to Apple, while they launch their own first party competitor. 3.1.3(d) Person-to-Person Experiences: If your app enables the purchase of realtime person-to-person experiences between two individuals (for example tutoring students, medical consulta…

If they attempt to enforce 3.13(d), Pelton, et al, will file complaints with regulators in days. That change was clearly intended to advantage Apple (i.e., first party) products over third party competitors.

At this point, it's only a matter of time before Apple gets broken up or severely sanctioned (more likely the latter), and it will be entirely their own fault.

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Post by kmonsen »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #174
Axsuul wrote: post #172

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It should work with AirPlay I'd imagine

I have no way to AirPlay to my TV as far as I know, because I don't have Apple TV. Are there other ways to?

My hunch is that you are not Apple's target audience. They are fairly happy targeting specific users that are into their ecosystem.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by samatman »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #27

RIP local fitness instructors. Already battered by the pandemic, a lot of them have been successfully transitioning to an online only business model. This will make it harder.

Pandemic isn't going to last forever.

I agree that it's bad timing. But where I live, the gyms are open, and I see personal trainers working with clients every time I go.

This doesn't compete with personal trainers or in-person gym classes, not really. As indicated elsewhere, it competes with Peloton and YouTube, and where Peloton is concerned, I'd expect them to be announcing an integrating pretty soon.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by gamblor956 »

rgovostes wrote: post #133
antimatter15 wrote: post #67

So this must be why last week's updated "App Store Review Guidelines" explicitly excluded "one-to-many realtime experiences". Third party fitness apps need to fork over 30% to Apple, while they launch their own first party competitor. 3.1.3(d) Person-to-Person Experiences: If your app enables the purchase of realtime person-to-person experiences between two individuals (for example tutoring students, medical consulta…

The 30% cut always applied to one-to-many experiences. They removed it for one-to-one, but did not change it for other models.

The 30% cut did not artificially inflate the competitiveness of Apple's product vs its competitors.

Now it does, and for antitrust purposes that makes all the difference.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by samatman »

varispeed wrote: post #176

So you have to pay for a watch that collects your data? Furthermore the watch is likely full of proprietary chips - which is fine if you could buy those. If "your" watch goes bad, only Apple will be able to repair it and for sure their charge you adequately. And you give your data for free.

Everything you list here is considered a feature by the customers it's marketed to.

Especially Apple repairing your watch for you, for the adequate cost of some AppleCare.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by compscistd »

I tend to pass out easily from strenuous cardio exercise (I’m bad at knowing my limits when it comes to cardio. Just about passed out ten minutes ago because I pushed too hard on a treadmill/rower cycle. This is why I prefer gradual, predictable weightlifting, a challenge during the pandemic but that’s it’s own story).

Having metrics like heart rate, calories burned, and time remaining would show me clearly where my body is in addition to how I physically feel on screen which could be a huge help for me. Add factors like sleep tracking and I have an even better idea of how much I can push myself before I workout.

Unrelated with this announcement: there’s a lot of value to an Apple One bundle now (Apple TV, Music, Arcade, Fitness, News) but I have too much brand loyalty to Spotify to switch to Apple Music and feel like I would hurt publishers by using Apple News instead of keeping my individual news subscriptions.

On the other hand, if they offered free 2-day shipping with Apple Pay for Apple One subscribers at a bunch of premium retailers and bump up the price, you’ve got the first competitor to Amazon Prime.

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