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Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by Dahoon »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #113
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you like the idea of Apple owning the operating system you use, the computer it runs on, all the apps running on that operating system, the entire network stack, all of the network services, the gym you visit, the money you use, the school you attend, the church where you worship, the food that you buy, the place where you work, the hospital where you die? Can't you see where they're going with this?

Honestly it's hard to hear you over the sound of the tinfoil crinkling. Could you please speak up?

At least his comment contributed something to the discussion, agree with it or not. Yours (and now mine) is just noise.

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Post by rgovostes »

antimatter15 wrote: post #67

So this must be why last week's updated "App Store Review Guidelines" explicitly excluded "one-to-many realtime experiences". Third party fitness apps need to fork over 30% to Apple, while they launch their own first party competitor. 3.1.3(d) Person-to-Person Experiences: If your app enables the purchase of realtime person-to-person experiences between two individuals (for example tutoring students, medical consulta…

The 30% cut always applied to one-to-many experiences. They removed it for one-to-one, but did not change it for other models.

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Post by Someone »

lawrenceyan wrote: post #34
cliverani wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Google owns Fitbit now, so it's two behemoths going at each other. Plus you now have Amazon coming into the market with their Halo Fitness bands.

Is that true? I thought the acquisition failed because of the EU.

August 4, 2020, https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_...:

“The European Commission has opened an in-depth investigation to assess the proposed acquisition of Fitbit by Google under the EU Merger Regulation. The Commission is concerned that the proposed transaction would further entrench Google's market position in the online advertising markets by increasing the already vast amount of data that Google could use for personalisation of the ads it serves and displays.”

So, the jury is still out on that one.

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Post by tpetry »

damnyou wrote: post #98
EricE wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since privacy is a key differentiator for them (huge financial incentives to actually deliver and not just pay lip service), and there are significant penalties waiting for them if they are lying about protecting privacy (as well as plenty of people who would love to call them out on it), Apple is probably the most trustworthy of any organization if you care about privacy. Also you can keep your data local with Apple…

Imagine believing this after seeing Apple's consistent lying about iMessage being "end-to-end encrypted": https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

Oh it‘s end-to-end encrypted. Whether the received and decrypted message on the iphone is saved end-to-end encrypted in a backup is another topic...

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Post by newscracker »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #103
newscracker wrote: post #46

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

Do you like the idea of Apple owning the operating system you use, the computer it runs on, all the apps running on that operating system, the entire network stack, all of the network services, the gym you visit, the money you use, the school you attend, the church where you worship, the food that you buy, the place where you work, the hospital where you die? Can't you see where they're going with this?

GP here. I agree with your point (and upvoted it to counter some downvotes). I am indeed concerned about the kind of power concentration that Apple has with its user base, and I certainly have disagreements with its App Store and its fight against Right to Repair.

At the same time, I also see a lot of value in the Apple products and services that I use, especially when combined with its stance on privacy (which is far ahead of any other large tech company). I’m just hoping, perhaps naively, that Apple doesn’t become like Google or Facebook or Amazon.

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Post by Philip-J-Fry »

netcraft wrote: post #11
slg wrote: post #2

I wouldn't want to be Peleton, Mirror, or one of those similar companies. Is it worth the extra $1000+ up front and $30+ monthly for the Peleton and Mirror trainers to mention your name?

I tend to agree, but its always amazing to me how much that seems to matter to viewers on twitch. The entire streamer business model centers around people paying to have someone say their name.

That only really applies to donations. There's much more to Twitch and live interactions than someone saying someone's name. Not to mention that Twitch is a largely free service for viewers if you don't want to pay.

The Twitch business model revolves around communities more than it does a streamer saying someone's name. I subscribe to streamers but the emoticons to use in other chats. Many people donate not just for someone to say their name but for their donation to get read out by text-to-speech engines. Some streamers even have AI driven TTS which has famous people voices.

The same can't really be said about things like Peloton.

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Post by matsemann »

adrr wrote: post #68
cliverani wrote: post #39

Apple just took a huge swing at Peloton and at home fitness startups. Why cycle in place at home with a Peloton instructor, when you can cycle outside with a Fitness+ instructor? Why limit yourself to your stationary Peloton bike at home, when you can use a stationary bike anywhere? Apple can and probability will beat out Lulu Lemon's Mirror on price using motion capture on an AppleTV smartTV or Ipad. Only startup th…

People cycle in place because it’s more convenient than going outside. Not everyone lives near bike trails where you can continuously cycle without having to worry about cars and traffic lights. Even on bike trails, speed is limited to 10mph so I don’t how you can do hiit workout and keep it below 10mph.

As an avid cyclist, I often sometimes bike indoors because it's easier to get the workout I want with exact wattages and intervals. A wahoo kickr or other direct drive unit + zwift/trainerroad/whatever.

Don't think Apple will compete with any of those soon.

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Post by threatofrain »

88840-8855 wrote: post #91
newscracker wrote: post #46

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

I disagree. YET ANOTHER feature that is linked to ONE SINGLE account. If apple decides to block your account, everything is gone. This happened some time ago to my microsoft account - everything gone. And why? Because I have uploaded (automatically) a nude picture of my gf to their cloud, it was detected by their algorithm and my account was locked. I had to communicate with microsoft by a PAPER LETTER(!) to understa…

Are nude photos not permitted on iCloud? With the ubiquity of iPhones, it's difficult to believe iCloud isn't filled with nude photos.
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