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Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by Tiktaalik »

jmull wrote: post #64
Tiktaalik wrote: post #27

RIP local fitness instructors. Already battered by the pandemic, a lot of them have been successfully transitioning to an online only business model. This will make it harder.

I don’t think this would affect personal, live fitness instructors. Although it looks the same on the surface, the value proposition is very different (as is the cost). You don’t make the same kind of human connection when the communication is one-way. Put it this way: if internet streaming was going to kill off fitness instructors, it would have happened already. Apple isn’t doing something new here, they’re just pu…

Yes but the pandemic has changed things. For at least the next two years personal, live fitness instructors are going away.

In Vancouver, BC, where pandemic response has been relatively good, even there a successful in person fitness business Tight Club has opted to stop renting their space entirely and they've pivoted completely to online.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by zepto »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #103
newscracker wrote: post #46

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

Do you like the idea of Apple owning the operating system you use, the computer it runs on, all the apps running on that operating system, the entire network stack, all of the network services, the gym you visit, the money you use, the school you attend, the church where you worship, the food that you buy, the place where you work, the hospital where you die? Can't you see where they're going with this?

It would have been nice if Google hadn’t betrayed their promise of Android being open.

Then we’d have had a good alternative.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by cycrutchfield »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #103
newscracker wrote: post #46

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

Do you like the idea of Apple owning the operating system you use, the computer it runs on, all the apps running on that operating system, the entire network stack, all of the network services, the gym you visit, the money you use, the school you attend, the church where you worship, the food that you buy, the place where you work, the hospital where you die? Can't you see where they're going with this?

Honestly it's hard to hear you over the sound of the tinfoil crinkling. Could you please speak up?

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by DLA »

reaperducer wrote: post #71
slg wrote: post #2

I wouldn't want to be Peleton, Mirror, or one of those similar companies. Is it worth the extra $1000+ up front and $30+ monthly for the Peleton and Mirror trainers to mention your name?

Is it worth the extra $1000+ up front and $30+ monthly for the Peleton and Mirror trainers to mention your name? Especially if you're one of the millions of people in a downsizing mood. $1,000 + $30/month for Peleton, or a monthly fee to Apple that vanishes into the bundle of things you'd subscribe to anyway and use the devices you may already have. Or if you were thinking of getting one anyway, now you have a furthe…

No it is not. Peloton is going to feel this once widely adopted. Brilliant service with Apple One to combine this with the other Apple service and all of Music.

Peloton or Mirror at the hotel. No. Outside. No. On vacation. No. Plus I thing this is a wider offering. Peloton yoga and weights workouts are really sub-par. I have no experience with mirror.

Disclosure: Shareholder of Apple and Lululemon. Not a shareholder in Peloton.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by db579 »

sleavey wrote: post #43
hk__2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried building it yourself?

I looked into it but watches, like phones, fall into the category of things that really do just need built by a company with tiny unsolderable-by-humans parts. When I checked maybe a year ago I found a fitness tracker that someone had found a way to upload new firmware to, but the hardware was no longer manufactured so you had to find second-hand parts on eBay, and there weren't many on sale in Europe. I gave up hopi…

Have you looked at the Pine64 PineTime devkits?

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by BelleOfTheBall »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #103
newscracker wrote: post #46

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

Do you like the idea of Apple owning the operating system you use, the computer it runs on, all the apps running on that operating system, the entire network stack, all of the network services, the gym you visit, the money you use, the school you attend, the church where you worship, the food that you buy, the place where you work, the hospital where you die? Can't you see where they're going with this?

That's a gross exaggeration of how much pull Apple has. I'm no fan of it or how much data these new devices will collect but saying "the school you attend, the church where you worship" is some Twitter-comments level of hysteria. Yes, we should be worried about corporations owning too much and having too much power. No, Apple isn't going to buy up schools and churches.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by benologist »

I have maintained my fitness and saved so much money by switching to videos on YouTube. I think this stuff should at most be a category on Netflix etc it's not worth $9.99 separately. The trainers are all good, the only thing missing is being able to superimpose your Watch metrics when you want.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by CydeWeys »

mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #92
antimatter15 wrote: post #67

So this must be why last week's updated "App Store Review Guidelines" explicitly excluded "one-to-many realtime experiences". Third party fitness apps need to fork over 30% to Apple, while they launch their own first party competitor. 3.1.3(d) Person-to-Person Experiences: If your app enables the purchase of realtime person-to-person experiences between two individuals (for example tutoring students, medical consulta…

I'm not sure this applies. If the workouts are recorded, they are not realtime person-to-person experiences.

A lot of their competitors (like Peloton) do have actual real-time experiences though, and this is increasingly becoming more of a thing as the pandemic drags on and people want to do real-time classes with their favorite instructors back from the before-times.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by mikestew »

Someone1234 wrote: post #83
ilikehurdles wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The $1000+ up front and $30 monthly is for the trainer product. You can subscribe to Peloton's (or Aaptiv's or any number of brands') workouts and BYODevice and pay in the neighborhood of $13/mo for the workouts. Fitness+ absolutely is encroaching on that subscription workout space, but a physical bike/treadmill and a watch are not competitors. If someone wants a stationary bike they're not going to be shopping for a…

But direct integration with sports equipment seems like it would be the next logical step on the radar for Apple. You'll be able to go on Amazon and buy [Bike/Treadmill/etc] with "Fitness+ Compatible" that streams wirelessly to your watch/phone. Then Peleton offers no value add. They're just a treadmill maker charging 250% of their competitors.

Gym equipment integrates with Apple Watch already, yes? At least that's what they advertise; I haven't hit a gym since I've had an Apple Watch. If true, I don't see a big leap from there to home equipment. We bought a NordicTrac rowing machine a few months ago, and it has a Bluetooth. I was thinking, "ya know, this thing is just a bit of software (and maybe silicon) away from just connecting directly to my watch."

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by joshgachnang »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #103
newscracker wrote: post #46

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

Do you like the idea of Apple owning the operating system you use, the computer it runs on, all the apps running on that operating system, the entire network stack, all of the network services, the gym you visit, the money you use, the school you attend, the church where you worship, the food that you buy, the place where you work, the hospital where you die? Can't you see where they're going with this?

That's a bit of hyperbole to go from fitness classes to owning hospitals/churches/food.
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