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Red flags I saw while doing technical interviews

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Re: Red flags I saw while doing technical interviews

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"Not Enough Clarity about your Role" - Like the author mentions, this can definitely signify that the role is not important. The other thing I've noticed over my career is that it could be that the role involves "grunge" work (awful oncall shifts, doing backend work when you want to do only frontend, etc). Companies hide behind cool titles/department names/etc, promising whatever you want to hear to get you in.

As someone who's never taken a traditional role until after devops got defined as its own role separate from dev and ops, my advice is to figure out what grunge work you hate, and what you don't (or at least, hate less) so you can specifically about that. Like household chores, different people hate different things. Some thrive in operational chaos, others can't handle having more than one plate in the air at a time. Some loath building frameworks and others can't stand building anything but.

If taking a call at 1am is your version of hell, make sure to interrogate what the on-call schedule looks like. If you're up till 3am most nights anyway and honestly don't mind taking the call at 1am, spend the limited reverse-interview time during your interview to ask about other aspects of role and company culture. (Pick your poison from the Joel Test - https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/08/09/the-joel-test-12-s... )

Re: Red flags I saw while doing technical interviews

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As someone with 20+ years in the experience, red flag #1 for me is being expected to go through a skill-testing technical whiteboard (or similar) coding exercise before even having a deeper discussion about the role and whether there's a fit, etc. I've seen this many times and I find it baffling: I already have a very high paying high quality job, I want you to sell _me_ on the position before demanding I do stressfu…

On the flip side, I've been interviewing people with supposedly 15+ years of experience using simple whiteboard questions for a while and I've seen too many people fail miserably at writing basic for loops (a very slightly more involved problem than fizzbuzz, really) for me to simply trust that spending time selling you on the company is useful. Lying on a resume is easy, and even truthful resumes can be misleading. Screening candidates with a half hour of simple coding gets rid of a lot of people who seem to be making money without actually knowing how to write code, which is a problem when you're hiring people to write code and help others write code.

Re: Red flags I saw while doing technical interviews

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Role clarity is a huge one in my book. I've turned down numerous offers because when I asked what the specifics of my day to day job were going to be, the answers weren't clear. From the secret FAANG that likes to pretend what they are doing is defense contractor level top secret, and even after your hired you might not know what your actually working on, to the big companies where its clear the hiring manager only h…

> I've turned down numerous offers because when I asked what the specifics of my day to day job were going to be, the answers weren't clear.

Same, from FAANG companies. The feel that I get is more like, FAANG companies don't even know what you're going to do. They just want to hire top talent and figure out what you're working on later. They want someone "smart" who can ultimately work on any team, since whatever team you initially land on might be gone in a few months.

The consequence of this made the interview process for these companies feel much more like a "drinking the kool aid" test. When I asked what I would be doing, the sales pitch I got always boiled down to "you'll be working for X" as if that was enough. That might be enough for a fresh grad, but I'm an experienced specialist. Understanding my role and impact are key to my job happiness.

I don't think the intent is to be secretive, its more about - the people in the recruiting pipeline don't even know themselves, or if they do, you might get rearranged quickly, so focusing heavily on the specific work is more of a detriment. You kind of NEED to drink the kool aid since you're buying in to the company moreso than buying in to a specific team, work, etc..

Re: Red flags I saw while doing technical interviews

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I sometimes feel self-conscious asking deep questions about morale, especially when I'm on the fence about working at a place and am just being polite in case I need this as a Plan C.

There are some questions where if you get the person to take them seriously you may pop whatever bubble they're living in that helps them get through the day.

One place, I was not doing so great. I was participating in the interview process, mostly trying to make sure our candidates were better than our status quo, so new people would make my life better. This one kid asks, "what do you like about working here?" and I froze. I didn't have an answer. Luckily there were three of us, and I had time to come up with a half-assed answer that didn't consist of "Run!"

Shortly after that I decided to leave, and just making that decision let me make it to the next bonus payout, which was something on the order of 10% of salary after taxes (so ~8 weeks?), plus a few more options vesting. And then I was out the door, along with about 1/5th of the engineering department. It's like people forget there's a door until someone else goes through it. Afterward, the members of the exodus sat around over beers to celebrate the check clearing. Someone (possibly me) asked if sticking around for the bonus was worth it. Almost all of us said no.

Re: Red flags I saw while doing technical interviews

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Role clarity is a huge one in my book. I've turned down numerous offers because when I asked what the specifics of my day to day job were going to be, the answers weren't clear. From the secret FAANG that likes to pretend what they are doing is defense contractor level top secret, and even after your hired you might not know what your actually working on, to the big companies where its clear the hiring manager only h…

I get that Microsoft is a huge company but the inconsistency in quality is something I find quite comical. To pile on to the Windows control panel for a minute: If you open the start menu and search updates, you bring up the settings menu for updates. Likewise for network settings or any other section of the control panel successor. But if you open network settings from the start menu while you already have updates o…

I am amazed when I see older style windows pop up alongside the windows 10 styling.

Re: Red flags I saw while doing technical interviews

#106

Role clarity is a huge one in my book. I've turned down numerous offers because when I asked what the specifics of my day to day job were going to be, the answers weren't clear. From the secret FAANG that likes to pretend what they are doing is defense contractor level top secret, and even after your hired you might not know what your actually working on, to the big companies where its clear the hiring manager only h…

I get that Microsoft is a huge company but the inconsistency in quality is something I find quite comical. To pile on to the Windows control panel for a minute: If you open the start menu and search updates, you bring up the settings menu for updates. Likewise for network settings or any other section of the control panel successor. But if you open network settings from the start menu while you already have updates o…

It’s a limitation of the phone-style applications where only one instance of a program can run at the same time. I think they addressed it in later revision of the framework, but that some people considered that was an acceptable solution on desktop shows how bad Windows have fallen from the 7 era.

Re: Red flags I saw while doing technical interviews

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As someone with 20+ years in the experience, red flag #1 for me is being expected to go through a skill-testing technical whiteboard (or similar) coding exercise before even having a deeper discussion about the role and whether there's a fit, etc. I've seen this many times and I find it baffling: I already have a very high paying high quality job, I want you to sell _me_ on the position before demanding I do stressfu…

After being on both sides of the interview situation for quite a while now, my feeling on this is more nuanced.

The thing is, when you look for a job, you will often go for 5 to 10 interviews.

On the other end, when I'm looking for someone to fill a position in my team, I will interview at the very least 50 candidates.

That is to say, all things equal, the interviewer has most likely more incentive than the interviewee to go straight to the point, and thus perform a technical check early in the process.

Also, you have to realize than the vast majority of candidates applying for a position are highly unfit for it. Seriously, even for very senior positions, you would be amazed at the sheer amount of people applying with grossly pumped resumes, and overall low skill level once tested.

Even after careful picking of resumes, I would estimate that 80% of candidates end up being obviously unfit after the first 10 minutes of a technical interview. That's why, as an interviewer, I'm not very inclined to have a long open discussion about the job until I have at least some degree of confidence that the candidate is worth it.

Of course that process is unfair for the "good" candidates. Those who apply to positions fitting their skill set. But when you have more than 50 interviews ahead of you, and an actual job to do, you have to make compromises and tailor your process for efficiency.

Re: Red flags I saw while doing technical interviews

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As someone with 20+ years in the experience, red flag #1 for me is being expected to go through a skill-testing technical whiteboard (or similar) coding exercise before even having a deeper discussion about the role and whether there's a fit, etc. I've seen this many times and I find it baffling: I already have a very high paying high quality job, I want you to sell _me_ on the position before demanding I do stressfu…

"But! But! Our 24yo interviewer has gotta check if you know the _fundamentals_ ... You might have been coasting for 20 years."

Agreed, I'm totally confused and put off by this as well.

Re: Red flags I saw while doing technical interviews

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Some of my hall of shame interviewers:

- Everyone I interviewed on my would-be team felt like they were attending a funeral, never met a more depressed unenthusiastic bunch.

- One of the interviewers wondering why I wanted this job as it was terrible, he stated he was looking to leave and warned me about the company.

- Meeting room of interview room(conference room) reeked of sweat(when no one was there), it was disgusting, this from a company that was heavily funded(going public this year!) also trash on the floor and interviewers unprepared as well.

- Interviewer saying there was not much work here, the company mainly collects royalties from IP and the position would see alot of downtime/doing nothing(manager saying this!).

Re: Red flags I saw while doing technical interviews

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As someone with 20+ years in the experience, red flag #1 for me is being expected to go through a skill-testing technical whiteboard (or similar) coding exercise before even having a deeper discussion about the role and whether there's a fit, etc. I've seen this many times and I find it baffling: I already have a very high paying high quality job, I want you to sell _me_ on the position before demanding I do stressfu…

This could be a side-effect of how separations of concerns are handled vis-a-vis interviews at the company. I do technical interviews for other teams within my company. I may not know much detail about the role, beyond just generally knowing with the team in question is responsible for and the topics they asked me to cover during the interview. I wouldn't ever think to ask for more details about the role because I as…

If companies want to hire experienced senior talent, then streamlining isn't going to be a good idea. They need to recruit them, and that means not alienating them right away.

The process for new grads and interns should be different from senior talent.

I don't care about the division of labour. Want to hire people away from Google? Don't be a pain in the ass. People expect pain in the interview process, but not before they are sold on the company.

So like I said, what I get from this is on the whole there's an aggregate trend away from wanting experience.

I think it's a worrying sign that the market may be either saturated with talent, and/or that companies are totally fine hiring only junior/mid-level "framework" developers.

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