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It also doesn't have an IDE experience that matches SQLDeveloper, including for debugging stored procedures, doesn't do distributed transactions, integrate with OLAP, provide a Web based framework for quick CRUD applications, bare metal deployment where the RDMS is the OS.
so, pgadmin?
Governments should adopt and invest in FOSS
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Re: Governments should adopt and invest in FOSS
#1421. I think many public sector organizations in Europe lack basic knowledge of FOSS and have IT managers that don't even know what it is. 2. In many ways it is surprising that generic software like cloud office functionality in reality only have two suppliers, both from the US, in the public sector. The amount of money that is being paid by tax payers every year for that across the EU is staggering. Maybe the Schrems…
> 1. I think many public sector organizations in Europe lack basic knowledge of FOSS and have IT managers that don't even know what it is. Confirmed. Source: I teach these topics in University, including in post graduate courses for public officials, and most of the students don't have a clue of what OSS means (the whole words), and don't even realize why the F matters. I usually explain what source code is, and from…
Re: Governments should adopt and invest in FOSS
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so, pgadmin?
A proof of never having used SQL Developer, pgadmin is quite basic in capabilities, and now being a Web based UI even less appealing.
I tend to find CLI tools more effective than GUI tools. Each to their own though, I suppose.
Re: Governments should adopt and invest in FOSS
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I paid $24.99 for my first copy of Linux. Bought it on the shelf at Walmart, actually.
Does the GPL prevent someone from making money? I think it only forces everyone to publish their source code.
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You can also hire local Linux enthusiasts to create an in-house support team. That keeps the money for the support costs within the local economy and potentially they could even give back to the open source projects and represent your local interests within the open source community.
So I can tell my boss we should hire a six figure salary employee instead of buying a four or five figure annual proprietary product? Honestly, as a taxpayer, I'd hope not. And that's the problem, for more open source products, the available support is "pull requests welcome".
Re: Governments should adopt and invest in FOSS
#146I work as a government contractor. We've fixed bugs in OSS that we've used, but been unable to contribute the fixes back. This is a huge hassle because we are now on a fork and have to deal with merges from upstream, it will get worse over time. More recently I developed a missing (in my view) extension to a piece of software. Too make this OSS-able would take a few extra hours and I wouldn't mind doing that step on…
Why are you unable to merge your changes upstream?
The most I do is contribute to OSS documentation on gov time and just don't bring it up. Also fix issues by replying to issues since thats not code.
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Why are you unable to merge your changes upstream?
I was given some nebulous answer and well I have my own OSS projects on the side that I care more about so I don't care to push that. WTS. I would be happy to do the last mile on my own, but I am not going to fight for it. It should instead be encouraged buts its not. So here we are. I have good contributions to make but don't. Some good OSS projects losing out and by a thin proxy, many other three letter agencies. T…
Even if it's for no other reason than ease of maintenance, so you don't have to keep merging upstream to your fork.
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It seems they just focus on the cost while the real problem is of sovereignty, and need to include an European dimension. The US have been found spying on the whole world (including their own citizens), so it’s warranted Europeans push back against US hardware and software the same way it’s done with China (Huawei).
The problem is that to sort it out properly we need a complete EU based stack, starting from the hardware.
There's absolutely no need to start from the hardware. In fact, both hardware and software can and should be done in parallel.
Re: Governments should adopt and invest in FOSS
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So I can tell my boss we should hire a six figure salary employee instead of buying a four or five figure annual proprietary product? Honestly, as a taxpayer, I'd hope not. And that's the problem, for more open source products, the available support is "pull requests welcome".
Usually the costs for proprietary software in government are much larger, usually in the millions.
Many are purpose-built for government use but are sold to a large number of organizations at pretty ordinary pricing models.
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This is not only true for software developed with public funds, but with any software that becomes critical for providing public services, communication in particular. Take for example the recent 5G spying debacle. US claims that the Chinese can insert snooping tech in their hardware, which is of course true. But the same thing is true for gear produced by American or European companies, so we are expected to choose…
One of the challenges is that FLOSS means so many different things. You say that the minimum thing is source availability for auditing. Others will say that the freedom to modify the code running on your systems is the most important thing. Others will say that the freedom to copy the code into new contexts is the most important thing. Still others will say that the ability to run the code for free is the most import…
That is not FLOSS. Its normal and expected and usually required to give source code to stakeholder.