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Re: PEP – An open source PDF editor for Mac

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Post by tkfu »

strogonoff wrote: post #20

A GUI app for manually crafting PDFs is one thing, but a library instead would enable countless developers to create software capable of producing PDF deliverables as output, possibly improving the accessibility situation too. I would gladly sponsor the development of a reliable library that allows to programmatically produce compliant, accessible tagged PDFs with arbitrary layout[0], correctly printable and viewable…

Are you familiar with Prawn [1]? Perhaps I just haven't bumped up against its limitations yet, but in my experience it's exactly what you're asking for. Of course, it's in Ruby, which isn't to everyone's taste, but it's the best tool out there that I've found.

[1] https://github.com/prawnpdf/prawn

Re: PEP – An open source PDF editor for Mac

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Post by threcius »

strogonoff wrote: post #20

A GUI app for manually crafting PDFs is one thing, but a library instead would enable countless developers to create software capable of producing PDF deliverables as output, possibly improving the accessibility situation too. I would gladly sponsor the development of a reliable library that allows to programmatically produce compliant, accessible tagged PDFs with arbitrary layout[0], correctly printable and viewable…

Seems a good feature for [0], and I am trying to not ignore this good feature, and still noted it down on my Apple Notes.

Although it seems to be a tough question as well. :p

Re: PEP – An open source PDF editor for Mac

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Post by thechao »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #22
tzs wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish that once people do name their project, they would assign it a 128-bit random number in lower case hex, and include that number on any web page that they would like people searching for their project to find. That way once I know that say PEP the PDF editor exists and find its 128-bit number (let's say that is 379dd864b16eaca3ce94c15a6bdfcc73), at least I can subsequently toss a +379dd864b16eaca3ce94c15a6bdfcc…

8 bit ascii could work. 8^256 is a huge number.

I can’t even this math.

Re: PEP – An open source PDF editor for Mac

#34

Post by Fnoord »

dubcanada wrote: post #18
wolfium3 wrote: post #9

I have a dream... that one day people will name their projects with names that don't exist on google yet. If you search for PEP now you'll find python enhancement proposals, and the "Philippine Entertainment Portal" and the stock code for PepsiCo.

A name that doesn't exist on google? So what exactly would that be? It is very obvious if you google "pdf pep" python enhancement proposals or pepsi is not going to show up. Naming is hard, I have a dream that people would stop complaining about it. There is names/acronyms for literally everything, the chance of you finding something unique is very very small.

Everybody's Google results are different these days. They put you in a bubble. Hence, saying "if you Google you should see result X or Y" isn't necessarily true.

I would say for acronyms containing 2, 3, 4 letters these are all going to be taken at this point.

What matters is how much do the acronyms overlap. Pepsi (food & drink) has nothing to do with PDF editors (tech).

pEp (or p≡p) [1] on Android is a nice K-9 fork with material design and GPG support / opportunistic encryption. Its not very well known though.

Worst would've been if there's a PEP directly related to PDF.

[1] https://www.pep.security

Re: PEP – An open source PDF editor for Mac

#35

Post by strogonoff »

tkfu wrote: post #31
strogonoff wrote: post #20

A GUI app for manually crafting PDFs is one thing, but a library instead would enable countless developers to create software capable of producing PDF deliverables as output, possibly improving the accessibility situation too. I would gladly sponsor the development of a reliable library that allows to programmatically produce compliant, accessible tagged PDFs with arbitrary layout[0], correctly printable and viewable…

Are you familiar with Prawn [1]? Perhaps I just haven't bumped up against its limitations yet, but in my experience it's exactly what you're asking for. Of course, it's in Ruby, which isn't to everyone's taste, but it's the best tool out there that I've found. [1] https://github.com/prawnpdf/prawn

Prawn was considered and IIRC unfortunately it has very limited styling support.

It looks like there are only commercial and quite expensive options for programmatic generation (Antenna House: XSL-FO, Prince: CSS). Apart from that, the one option that works appears to be Apache FOP. It’s built on Java and uses XSL-FO, which is somewhat limited and seemingly on the way to becoming outdated.

Re: PEP – An open source PDF editor for Mac

#36

Post by threcius »

Fnoord wrote: post #34
dubcanada wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A name that doesn't exist on google? So what exactly would that be? It is very obvious if you google "pdf pep" python enhancement proposals or pepsi is not going to show up. Naming is hard, I have a dream that people would stop complaining about it. There is names/acronyms for literally everything, the chance of you finding something unique is very very small.

Everybody's Google results are different these days. They put you in a bubble. Hence, saying "if you Google you should see result X or Y" isn't necessarily true. I would say for acronyms containing 2, 3, 4 letters these are all going to be taken at this point. What matters is how much do the acronyms overlap. Pepsi (food & drink) has nothing to do with PDF editors (tech). pEp (or p≡p) [1] on Android is a nice K-9 for…

First time seeing a .security website in my life.

Re: PEP – An open source PDF editor for Mac

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Post by crazygringo »

wolfium3 wrote: post #9

I have a dream... that one day people will name their projects with names that don't exist on google yet. If you search for PEP now you'll find python enhancement proposals, and the "Philippine Entertainment Portal" and the stock code for PepsiCo.

Unfortunately that will never happen.

The good news is google is smart, and if you add a couple of subject keywords it pretty much always works.

For example if you search "pep pdf editor" the site shows up in first place.

My only issue is naming things after words that are so incredibly common they're on practically every page anyways, and thus truly useless for searching. I'm looking at you, Go.

Re: PEP – An open source PDF editor for Mac

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Post by romanoderoma »

tzs wrote: post #14
wolfium3 wrote: post #9

I have a dream... that one day people will name their projects with names that don't exist on google yet. If you search for PEP now you'll find python enhancement proposals, and the "Philippine Entertainment Portal" and the stock code for PepsiCo.

I wish that once people do name their project, they would assign it a 128-bit random number in lower case hex, and include that number on any web page that they would like people searching for their project to find. That way once I know that say PEP the PDF editor exists and find its 128-bit number (let's say that is 379dd864b16eaca3ce94c15a6bdfcc73), at least I can subsequently toss a +379dd864b16eaca3ce94c15a6bdfcc…

That's more or less what Ted Nelson envisioned in Xanadu and that's why he usually says that modern cut and paste has nothing to do with the real cut and paste and he consider it “a crime against humanity.”

Even though he's friend with Larry Tesler, the man responsible for our modern use of cut and paste

Links should bring back to the original source not point to some random text, with no context, that needs to be indexed

Re: PEP – An open source PDF editor for Mac

#39

Post by threcius »

crazygringo wrote: post #37
wolfium3 wrote: post #9

I have a dream... that one day people will name their projects with names that don't exist on google yet. If you search for PEP now you'll find python enhancement proposals, and the "Philippine Entertainment Portal" and the stock code for PepsiCo.

Unfortunately that will never happen. The good news is google is smart, and if you add a couple of subject keywords it pretty much always works. For example if you search "pep pdf editor" the site shows up in first place. My only issue is naming things after words that are so incredibly common they're on practically every page anyways, and thus truly useless for searching. I'm looking at you, Go.

I did not expect googling "pep pdf editor" will show my site in the first place, because i just published the link of my site in a few days.

Re: PEP – An open source PDF editor for Mac

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Post by threcius »

crazygringo wrote: post #37
wolfium3 wrote: post #9

I have a dream... that one day people will name their projects with names that don't exist on google yet. If you search for PEP now you'll find python enhancement proposals, and the "Philippine Entertainment Portal" and the stock code for PepsiCo.

Unfortunately that will never happen. The good news is google is smart, and if you add a couple of subject keywords it pretty much always works. For example if you search "pep pdf editor" the site shows up in first place. My only issue is naming things after words that are so incredibly common they're on practically every page anyways, and thus truly useless for searching. I'm looking at you, Go.

And google is smart as it as you said.
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