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The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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For good reason. The article is written in horrible tone.

What exactly about the tone is "horrible"? That's a strong word and I did not perceive it that way.

It uses adjectives and descriptions that suffocate the reader.

Completely separate from the subject matter, that kind of writing style treats the reader as an idiot.

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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They just publish information they receive. They can't publish what they don't have. How are they biased?

They don't seem to publish ALL the information they receive (Surkov emails aren't featured on Wikileaks, for example), the screening and vetting process for leaks is intransparent and ad hoc. Given their position and renown, it's difficult to imagine that they haven't received any serious leaks from Russia or China, for example, yet there isn't anything on WL for those countries with any teeth on it.

Were they even in possession of the Surkov leaks? Seems like the hackers published it themselves, and never sent it to Wikileaks at all. It might be difficult for you to imagine they haven't received any 'serious' (I'm guessing you're not counting the Russian Spy Files or the Tibetan dissent videos as serious) leaks from Russia or China, but that doesn't prove much.

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Because Russia Today promotes official Russian policy, with Stalinism whitewashing being one its major component.

To be fair, pretty much every country aside from Germany is whitewashing their past with the help of the media. Some call it propaganda, some call it patriotism, some call it "promoting of state policy" but it's all the same thing.

To be fair, even in Germany there is a substantial amount of whitewashing the past. Be it the founding of the BND predecessor "Organization Gehlen" or the Nazi sympathizers that worked as judges and prosecutors in the federal Republic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Every time this comes up on traditional media I scream at TV How on earth can you be guilty of TREASON of a country you are NOT A CITIZEN Of? Can anyone explain this twisted logic to me how an Australian can be prosecuted for treason of US?

Instead of fighting the facts just accept them and consider what it means. He is a citizen of the world and he is being tried for treason.

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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They don't seem to publish ALL the information they receive (Surkov emails aren't featured on Wikileaks, for example), the screening and vetting process for leaks is intransparent and ad hoc. Given their position and renown, it's difficult to imagine that they haven't received any serious leaks from Russia or China, for example, yet there isn't anything on WL for those countries with any teeth on it.

Were they even in possession of the Surkov leaks? Seems like the hackers published it themselves, and never sent it to Wikileaks at all. It might be difficult for you to imagine they haven't received any 'serious' (I'm guessing you're not counting the Russian Spy Files or the Tibetan dissent videos as serious) leaks from Russia or China, but that doesn't prove much.

When I say “it is difficult to imagine”, what I mean by that is that it is highly unlikely, especially considering how Assange has a history of withholding leaks from publication for his own reasons. Conflict with Domscheit-Berg being pretty indicative of this behaviour.

The Spy Files are not really ground breaking for the Russian public. The Panama Papers were more damning, where a bunch of Russian officials got caught with their pants down. You know, the leak that the official WikiLeaks twitter account claimed to be a Soros-funded conspiracy...

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were they even in possession of the Surkov leaks? Seems like the hackers published it themselves, and never sent it to Wikileaks at all. It might be difficult for you to imagine they haven't received any 'serious' (I'm guessing you're not counting the Russian Spy Files or the Tibetan dissent videos as serious) leaks from Russia or China, but that doesn't prove much.

When I say “it is difficult to imagine”, what I mean by that is that it is highly unlikely, especially considering how Assange has a history of withholding leaks from publication for his own reasons. Conflict with Domscheit-Berg being pretty indicative of this behaviour. The Spy Files are not really ground breaking for the Russian public. The Panama Papers were more damning, where a bunch of Russian officials got cau…

IIRC the conflict with Domscheit-Berg was because Assange wanted to publish the war logs unredacted, no? It had nothing to do with Assange withholding leaks, quite the opposite. And wasn't it Domscheit-Berg who actually deleted unreleased documents from the Wikileaks servers?

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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I have to admit I don't know a lot about the history of Wikileaks (I was still in school when they started going after Assange), but how did it hurt democratic movements in developing countries?

They never seem to publish any serious leaks pertaining to other countries with imperialist ambitions. For example, what bothered me, is that there wasn't anything on Russia. For example, the leaked Surkov emails (which among other things exposed Russian plans for the separatists in Ukraine) had to go through 4chan and other ad hoc channels, but not through Wikileaks. Couple that with the fact that the person respons…

Why would anyone in Russia with access to classified information send it to Wikileaks, an organization with zero Russian speakers and extremely limited influence in Eastern Europe. They would have far better options available to them.

This criticism comes up often, but it assumes a conspiracy is necessary for the expected behavior. How many Russian language news stories does your local paper cover? Assange does not need Russian ties to be antisemitic either.

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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It's funny how indifferent everyone is about this. If you read about atrocious events that happened in history you often wonder why nobody stepped up. And here we are, things like this are happening in 2020 and almost nobody cares. Almost all of us choose comfort and a frictionfree life over morality when it comes down to it.

Honestly, what can we do? There were protests, but those barely ever have the desired effect. We can talk about it and make people aware, but the British people are also to blame for voting in a government willing to kneel to America. The EU might've been able to step in and provide Assange a safe haven, but a few citizens voting for Assange in a few countries ain't gonna do much.

What could we have done?

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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67 points in 2 hours at the moment and the article is flagged...

Unfair as his treatment may be, people hypocritically use it as an excuse to express petty political hatreds. Calling his trial Stalinist in a headline is an exaggeration that encourages that, and makes it hard to have a high quality discussion in the comments.

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, pretty much every country aside from Germany is whitewashing their past with the help of the media. Some call it propaganda, some call it patriotism, some call it "promoting of state policy" but it's all the same thing.

To be fair, even in Germany there is a substantial amount of whitewashing the past. Be it the founding of the BND predecessor "Organization Gehlen" or the Nazi sympathizers that worked as judges and prosecutors in the federal Republic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization

That the denazification process in both the Federal Republic and the Democratic Republic was incomplete after the war is a pretty uncontroversial thing in Germany, I would say. Aside from the far-right fringe, I don't think there is a lot of "whitewashing" around it, although I might be wrong. The CDU certainly has incentive to not stress that part of their history too much, though.
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