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Re: FreeBSD 12.2-BETA1

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Post by nix23 » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 6:59 PM UTC

asveikau wrote: post #46

nix23 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I feel poudriere takes too much time and disk space building literally everything. No not really just your packages and the dependencies of those.

Ok, slight exaggeration. The dependencies get quite huge though, especially when you are using something substantial.

Yeah that's true, having 1400 pkg installed needs often ~300 pkg to rebuild...but hey then you know everything is in harmony ;)

Re: FreeBSD 12.2-BETA1

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Post by asveikau » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 11:39 PM UTC

nix23 wrote: post #51

asveikau wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, slight exaggeration. The dependencies get quite huge though, especially when you are using something substantial.

Yeah that's true, having 1400 pkg installed needs often ~300 pkg to rebuild...but hey then you know everything is in harmony ;)

Building both gcc and llvm from scratch (which somehow usually ends up happening) is probably more harmony than I need in my life.

Re: FreeBSD 12.2-BETA1

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Post by chaosharmonic » Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 1:51 AM UTC

i_miss_unix wrote: post #3

Really looking forward to tinkering with this. Is it me, or does it seem that the BSDs are really losing more and more mind share as time marches on? I have very few issues with FreeBSD or OpenBSD beyond the occasional incompatibility, and it's always something minor like suspend or sound that can fixed with a few queries.

As a Linux user, the existence of open-spec boards that I know are supported by it (and a variety of other OSes) actually puts the BSDs more on my radar than they would be otherwise.

Re: FreeBSD 12.2-BETA1

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Post by nix23 » Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 10:40 AM UTC

asveikau wrote: post #52

nix23 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that's true, having 1400 pkg installed needs often ~300 pkg to rebuild...but hey then you know everything is in harmony ;)

Building both gcc and llvm from scratch (which somehow usually ends up happening) is probably more harmony than I need in my life.

Both are faster build then chrome or Firefox ;)

Re: FreeBSD 12.2-BETA1

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Post by MrMorden » Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:52 AM UTC

Mister_Snuggles wrote: post #23

I really like FreeBSD, and I run it on my home server, but the whole update process really needs a lot of work. The process described in this announcement is accurate in my experience: Run freebsd-update twice, reboot, run freebsd-update again, reinstall or rebuild applications, reboot again, run freebsd-update yet again. The upgrade process works well, but it's much more manual than it is in the Linux world. When Pk…

I don't update Linux, FreeBSD, or any other OS in place except on my FreeBSD-CURRENT desktop. The only way to operate in production is to create a new VM from your template, apply the runbook/state/whatever, route everything to the new VM, and drain the old VM.

My personal systems aren't where they should be for CM, but I still can't think of a good reason to update in place rather than rebuild and copy over configuration/data.

Flavors should make it easier to operate with packages instead of ports, but I don't have any idea what's going on there. If I were supporting a large number of systems, I'd want FreeBSD over Linux any day of the week and twice on Sundays because the ports system doesn't make you choose between a stable OS branch and current software.