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The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Post by jevgeni »

Nitrolo wrote: post #10
jevgeni wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikileaks had such a strong Western bias that it hurt democratic movements in third world countries. So no, it's not that black and white.

I have to admit I don't know a lot about the history of Wikileaks (I was still in school when they started going after Assange), but how did it hurt democratic movements in developing countries?

They never seem to publish any serious leaks pertaining to other countries with imperialist ambitions. For example, what bothered me, is that there wasn't anything on Russia. For example, the leaked Surkov emails (which among other things exposed Russian plans for the separatists in Ukraine) had to go through 4chan and other ad hoc channels, but not through Wikileaks. Couple that with the fact that the person responsible for CIS-country leaks at the time at Wikileaks was a well known anti-semite and conspiracy theorist, who left USSR sometime in the 60s or 70s and you start to build a picture of conscious bias, at the very least.

This allowed to build a bleak narrative in the former Soviet space, that "look, the West is corrupt as well, so you shouldn't try to fight corruption as it is hopeless". Which, by the way, is a classical FUD passive measure tactic.

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Post by jevgeni »

jackthezipper wrote: post #13
jevgeni wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikileaks had such a strong Western bias that it hurt democratic movements in third world countries. So no, it's not that black and white.

They just publish information they receive. They can't publish what they don't have. How are they biased?

They don't seem to publish ALL the information they receive (Surkov emails aren't featured on Wikileaks, for example), the screening and vetting process for leaks is intransparent and ad hoc. Given their position and renown, it's difficult to imagine that they haven't received any serious leaks from Russia or China, for example, yet there isn't anything on WL for those countries with any teeth on it.

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Post by me_me_me »

Roark66 wrote: post #14

Every time this comes up on traditional media I scream at TV How on earth can you be guilty of TREASON of a country you are NOT A CITIZEN Of? Can anyone explain this twisted logic to me how an Australian can be prosecuted for treason of US?

Whooo whooo there buddy. Why are you using facts and logic?

That's not allowed anymore. He is either traitor or not. No other way. /s

Welcome to black and white world of 2020 where stuff like this is encouraged. Its deeply saddening how everyone is quoting scary stuff from 1984 and yet we are using it as a manual.

Thinking about it its really scary how close we are to that reality. Just mix in some Brave New World by Huxley and you get police state with docile drugged up society addicted to entertainment not caring for real world around them.

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Post by disgu »

varjag wrote: post #15
samoa42 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why?

Because Russia Today promotes official Russian policy, with Stalinism whitewashing being one its major component.

To be fair, pretty much every country aside from Germany is whitewashing their past with the help of the media. Some call it propaganda, some call it patriotism, some call it "promoting of state policy" but it's all the same thing.

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Post by me_me_me »

artsr wrote: post #25
nabla9 wrote: post #20

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For good reason. The article is written in horrible tone.

What exactly about the tone is "horrible"? That's a strong word and I did not perceive it that way.

Its absurd to question Stalinist trial label.

It is a show trial with so many glaring issues that UK citizens should be rioting. It makes UK look like a servile dog of US. They are staining whole nation law system for petty revenge of handful US politicians that will make it as their success. Disgusting.

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Post by drukenemo »

I found this to be a very powerful statement, that exceeds the issue with Assange:

"Freedom of the press now rests with the honourable few: the exceptions, the dissidents on the internet who belong to no club, who are neither rich nor laden with Pulitzers, but produce fine, disobedient, moral journalism — those like Julian Assange."

Re: The Stalinist Trial of Julian Assange

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Post by me_me_me »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #19
Nitrolo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to admit I don't know a lot about the history of Wikileaks (I was still in school when they started going after Assange), but how did it hurt democratic movements in developing countries?

The Diplomatic Cables releases ended up on the internet unredacted, leading US officials to say it caused great damage to our worldwide democracy spreading commitment. How much damage it caused is unclear, and it's hard to look at the releases and determine "spreading democracy" is actually a US ambition.

Yeah, but how credible is it when institution that commits and covers war crimes cries about not being able to spread democracy because someone showed soldiers shooting brown ppl for fun.

> How much damage it caused is unclear

Its unclear because there is no examples of it. Same as claim that leaks cause deaths, yet no names of fields of dead undercover agents, operatives, informers etc. So who do you trust?

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