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Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by Spivak »

g42gregory wrote: post #22

I would like to understand if Oracle gets to see the user data. If yes, that might be a good deal for them because the data, especially at such large scale, is very valuable. In this case, they would not need TikTok's algorithms, as they can develop/train their own from TikTok's data. If Oracle can not see the user data, then it's just a glorified hosting deal, as people mentioned.

I mean that’s still a pretty good deal for Oracle since they could use a high-visibility customer that uses Oracle’s cloud.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by jmpman »

Spivak wrote: post #61
g42gregory wrote: post #22

I would like to understand if Oracle gets to see the user data. If yes, that might be a good deal for them because the data, especially at such large scale, is very valuable. In this case, they would not need TikTok's algorithms, as they can develop/train their own from TikTok's data. If Oracle can not see the user data, then it's just a glorified hosting deal, as people mentioned.

I mean that’s still a pretty good deal for Oracle since they could use a high-visibility customer that uses Oracle’s cloud.

And eliminates TikTok from Google cloud.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by throw_away »

Spivak wrote: post #60
evan_ wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes but not just spy, they're eager to use the algorithm for propaganda purposes. Having it run by a trump loyalist is the outcome they wanted, they're going to turn it into Fox News for gen z.

This is such a weird take as someone who is on TikTok and really enjoys it. The app is a just mirror for your interests with an insanely good discovery system. Whatever you like and interact with it shows you more of and it tests the waters occasionally to try and find new things you might like. My TikTok is cooking, home decor, gardening, fashion, makeup, pop punk music, longboarding, bullet journaling, and mental h…

Not saying that they're trying to do the same thing, but couldn't you also imagine someone saying the same thing about FB before the revelations over the past few years?

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by amiantos »

dlivingston wrote: post #59
nikkwong wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love this to be the case. If it really is this easy then I have failed my job as the head technologist of.. well, my family. This is the interface I'm presented with when I open a .mp3 file in a web browser [0]. None of the available options prompts me to any file system access or the "Files" app. I've diven deep into the settings, permissions, and other menus to no avail. Am I missing something obvious? [0]:…

Looking at the title bar of the app, it’s clear it isn’t Safari or even a web browser proper - what app are you using?

He also might have deleted the Files app.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by nikkwong »

amiantos wrote: post #64
dlivingston wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the title bar of the app, it’s clear it isn’t Safari or even a web browser proper - what app are you using?

He also might have deleted the Files app.

Ha! You guys have a good eye. I opened it in the browser with FB Messenger, however the sharing/saving actions presented are the same when I use iOS Safari or iOS Chrome. And unfortunately, I do have Files installed.

Maybe what I'm experiencing is just an unfortunate consequence of not having upgraded my aging iPhone 6 yet.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by evan_ »

Spivak wrote: post #60
evan_ wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes but not just spy, they're eager to use the algorithm for propaganda purposes. Having it run by a trump loyalist is the outcome they wanted, they're going to turn it into Fox News for gen z.

This is such a weird take as someone who is on TikTok and really enjoys it. The app is a just mirror for your interests with an insanely good discovery system. Whatever you like and interact with it shows you more of and it tests the waters occasionally to try and find new things you might like. My TikTok is cooking, home decor, gardening, fashion, makeup, pop punk music, longboarding, bullet journaling, and mental h…

It would be pretty easy for the algorithm to be nudged a little so that you start seeing more and more mental health tiktokkers who suggest that your mental wellness would be improved if you started reading about qanon, or long boarders who also like to talk about putting immigrants in concentration camps.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by joncrane »

Spivak wrote: post #60
evan_ wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes but not just spy, they're eager to use the algorithm for propaganda purposes. Having it run by a trump loyalist is the outcome they wanted, they're going to turn it into Fox News for gen z.

This is such a weird take as someone who is on TikTok and really enjoys it. The app is a just mirror for your interests with an insanely good discovery system. Whatever you like and interact with it shows you more of and it tests the waters occasionally to try and find new things you might like. My TikTok is cooking, home decor, gardening, fashion, makeup, pop punk music, longboarding, bullet journaling, and mental h…

I think it's like boiling a lobster.

They won't transfer you immediately to a boiling pot of water. They will simply turn up the heat on the pot you're in, slowly but surely. Pretty soon you'll be sitting in a hot tub but you're already addicted to the fun of the app.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

pphysch wrote: post #52
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #47

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You’re fooling yourself if you think this is somehow racist.

It varies from person to person. Many people are legitimately miseducated about topics like China, communism, etc. and buy into the absurd "comic book villain" canards because that is all that Western corporate media exposes them to. However, others come from a genuine belief in Western (white Anglo) racial/political supremacy and see the peaceful rise of China as an existential threat to that concept of supremacy an…

Neither of those. You also have a questionable definition of peaceful. Are you not familiar with the human rights issues that still exist?

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by JetSpiegel »

izacus wrote: post #27
mdni007 wrote: post #23

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Correct me if I'm wrong but on Android wouldn't an app have access to all files if storage permission is enabled?

Not anymore.

It's still the fact for the vast majority of phones. That Storage Scope feature it's not even enabled by default, and only for Android 11, which isn't even released.

https://developer.android.com/about/versions/11/privacy/stor...

Apps can still request the legacy behaviour (i.e. accessing all files on your phone). No thanks.

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