Feds: IBM did discriminate against older workers in making layoffs

Post by xeromal » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 9:38 PM UTC

filoleg wrote: post #97

jedberg wrote: post #51

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It's interesting to me that Netflix isn't on that list. Maybe because it ruins their stats. Totally anecdotal but I wouldn't be surprised if it were up there in the mid-high 30s. I'm having trouble thinking of anyone I knew there under 30 that wasn't in HR, recruiting, support, or facilities. There were just a few engineers under 30, and definitely a bunch over 50. And of course management was almost all 35+.

Netflix will definitely skew higher for one very obvious reason: back when i was looking into them a few years ago (not sure if anything has changed since then), they had no internship programs or entry-level postings. They were only hiring seniors and higher, and it was very explicit on their end, not just that i looked at them during a time period when they have already filled all of their entry-level roles. I just…

Post by xeromal » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 9:40 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #113

vkou wrote: post #93

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Would you prefer a system of strict credentialism, a system of lotteries, or a system that optimizes for hiring the most eloquent bullshit artists, instead? Those are your three alternatives to the whiteboard interview. Which would you prefer? (I'm perfectly willing to admit I've missed one[1], but it's probably a subset of these three.) [1] Life-long German apprenticeship/Japanese salaryman arrangements don't work i…

False dichotomy. (Uh, quadricotomy?) You can do a whiteboard interview without doing leet code. Do an actual coding interview (whether whiteboard or not). Don't do credentials-only. Don't do a lottery. And make sure you don't fall for a BS artist. But in your coding interview, don't do leet code . Just give a regular coding problem. Not a big one, not a long one, not an especially tricky one. Then watch them code, an…

Post by ghaff » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 9:49 PM UTC

vkou wrote: post #89

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The one problem might be education on your resume. People can infer age from that generally. If you leave dates off it might also be seen that you are hiding the dates because of your age.

Have the work section chronological (And omit everything >10 years old), and the education section styled a bit differently, as a bunch of bullet points without dates. It might be a bit weird, but I doubt it'll fail the HR filters. You can even do something like call it 'Education and Skills', in which case dates don't even make any sense to include. (Nobody ever says which year they've learned C#.)

Post by ghaff » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 9:59 PM UTC

pratik661 wrote: post #108

logicslave wrote: post #39

Leetcode is veiled ageism where those who pass have inordinate amounts of free time to study nonsense

I think the decision on whether or not a company chooses to have a presence in urban centers vs suburban office parks reflects the age of people they want to hire (or have currently hired). Office location/style choice can be a subtle way to implement ageism one way or the other.

Post by rcurry » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 10:01 PM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #48

socrates1998 wrote: post #17

The big tech giants have used this marketing ploy that "older workers don't understand new tech" to undercut them at almost every opportunity. I honestly have no idea why they are allowed to get away with this in the media and public opinion. Maybe because older people don't know new tech, so they think older programmers don't know it either? It's insane to me that an older programmer with decades of experience and m…

The math is simple: Replace a senior salary with 2 H1Bs for (hopefully) 1.5x productivity. 2 weeks vacation, no family, and no health issues makes for the ideal servant.