Feds: IBM did discriminate against older workers in making layoffs

Post by LanceH » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 9:07 PM UTC

in_cahoots wrote: post #99

thechao wrote: post #27

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We tell tradespeople who are 40 years old to hit a bootcamp and get work in our magical software industry. Then, when those same people come to us to be hired our recruiting manager says stuff like "well... they're 40, but have only got 6 months of experience; we can't hire them as a new recruit, but they also don't have enough experience to hire as a senior developer — guess we can't hire them". It's disgusting. Hir…

I wonder if there’s a legal case here? A lot of companies only hire entry-level from new college grads (or even worse, returning interns). How is that not age discrimination?

Post by itronitron » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 9:08 PM UTC

acruns wrote: post #98

socrates1998 wrote: post #17

The big tech giants have used this marketing ploy that "older workers don't understand new tech" to undercut them at almost every opportunity. I honestly have no idea why they are allowed to get away with this in the media and public opinion. Maybe because older people don't know new tech, so they think older programmers don't know it either? It's insane to me that an older programmer with decades of experience and m…

I am months from being 50 and I am a cloud architect/eng/admin. I am a former Microsoft MVP (rMVP) in System Center, I have co-authored books on the subject, spoke at conferences, blah, blah, I was a pretty big deal in the space, so much so that competitors would routinely try to hire me. I can still recall the moment when I thought 'I need to get out of this space and into cloud' At the time I was part of a sales te…

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 9:14 PM UTC

jnwatson wrote: post #76

liability wrote: post #2

Not surprising. Years ago one of my (gray haired) mentors opened my eyes to ageism in this industry by asking me to pay attention to how many programmers in the office have gray hair. Once you start looking for it, it becomes obvious that age discrimination is rampant. Some blame the young workforce on the industry being young, but the industry is decades old at this point so I don't think that excuse holds water.

Still, one needs to consider the demographics of programmers in general. Even ignoring issues like moving to management, health, etc, there simply weren't many programmers that started in the 1980's.

Post by greenyoda » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 9:17 PM UTC

Consultant32452 wrote: post #92

x87678r wrote: post #60

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Roles I've seen pay the same, but FTs benefits of healthcare/401k/vacation are worth 50k/yr.

I found this helpful rule of thumb to estimate the cost of benefits: https://beebole.com/blog/how-to-calculate-the-real-cost-of-a... >...the real salary of an employee ends up “being 18% to 26% more than a worker’s base salary.

Post by itronitron » Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 9:20 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #20

A fellow older classmate of mine and I were looking for work after changing careers. We were talking about his recent interview when he got a call from the recruiter and put her on speakerphone. She told them they were going with someone else because they thought the other person "fit the culture" better. He asked if she could give some feedback on what that meant and she flat out said "Some people thought you were t…