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Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else notice increased incompetence?

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I worry often that my perception of this is biased because I'm young and "this has always happened" but I fully agree with you, and it's across the spectrum of importance. Hire a contractor to power wash part of a house, and they simply _did not do half the work._ Not a matter of a half-assed job, simply was not even done. When called back, they proceeded to skimp in almost the same way, except when confronted over t…

Home contractors have always been a dumpster fire. They will no show, do a half-assed job when they do show, sometimes take the money and run. It is one of the worst fly by night industries there is. If you find a home contractor that does a good job, and show up when they say they are going to, pay them well and try to always go thru them, even if it is not their expertise they will usually be able to refer you to another contractor that they trust.

I think incompetence is about on the level that it has always been, but I can tell you two things I have seen change in my lifetime (45 years) which I believe make us feel the incompetence more.

1) Companies systems and processes are enshrined in software, when the software does not handle your non-sunny day scenario, the company employee does not know what to do, they punt you to someone else and you get in a loop of no one knowing how to address the issue, or no one having the authority to address the issue. This is a huge problem and many times you the consumer are just left holding the bag.

2) Companies in their never ending pursuit of profit are offloading their business processes onto the consumer. As an example, My home insurance lapsed for a brief period because they sent me an email, which went to my junk mail, in that email was a form that has to be filled out by getting information from the local fire department. Stuff like pumping capacity, hydrant geocords, etc. etc. This was a routine business form that the insurance company needs to underwrite the policy. This is something that traditionally a clerk at their underwriting department would call the local fire department get the answers, input them in the case file and be done with it. Instead, they changed their business process to offloading most of the legwork for underwriting to the consumer. I see this all the time now, in medical, legal, financing as well as a host of other industries, it was not the norm 20-30 years ago.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else notice increased incompetence?

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I've had a cop try to boost charges from non-injury careless driving to injury careless driving. The ticket had a check-box for "injury" on it. The cop underlined it instead of checking the box when the other driver was unharmed. If confronted she would just say she meant to strike through. If I did nothing and pleaded no-contest I would be getting myself into a massive injury lawsuit. Sometimes incompetence is not i…

True, and it can be hard to tell sometimes. Sometimes they'll upgrade the charge or write a false charge because many people just plead guilty so they can pay the fine and get on with their lives. I'm glad you paid attention. My wife once picked up an old traffic cone that had been abandoned in a ditch for more than 30 days. An officer wrote her a citation and she just plead guilty and mailed the fine in. She didn't…

>Sometimes they'll upgrade the charge or write a false charge because many people just plead guilty

How do you know that, and where do you live that the police file charges? That's typically the job of a prosecutor.

>A local police department was spreading similar misinformation on Facebook about something being a misdemeanor when it should have been a summary offense. I ended up having to get the DA involved to set them straight so they wouldn't ruin someone else's life.

Would you provide more information about the local police department and the "something?"

And how would it ruin someone's life if they thought that 'something' carried greater consequences than it actually did?

For example, if the police refer to "jaywalking" as "felony jaywalking," that doesn't actually make it a felony, nor does it mean that if someone jaywalks that they would have a felony on their record.

No?

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else notice increased incompetence?

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I would like to comment on this. My real name and also email I believe are in my profile, as well as in a couple of past comments. Incompetence is sometimes a brilliant intelligence and counterintelligence strategy. The old saying of "don't suspect malice when stupidity is possible" or whatever was a favorite saying of Aldrich Ames. And of course that is what one would say if they were doing what he did. It's also a…

> Incompetence happened a great deal in the Soviet Union. It mentally killed people to see it everyday.

Wasn't it result of communism? At least that's my impression after reading Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago".

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else notice increased incompetence?

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True, and it can be hard to tell sometimes. Sometimes they'll upgrade the charge or write a false charge because many people just plead guilty so they can pay the fine and get on with their lives. I'm glad you paid attention. My wife once picked up an old traffic cone that had been abandoned in a ditch for more than 30 days. An officer wrote her a citation and she just plead guilty and mailed the fine in. She didn't…

>Sometimes they'll upgrade the charge or write a false charge because many people just plead guilty How do you know that, and where do you live that the police file charges? That's typically the job of a prosecutor. >A local police department was spreading similar misinformation on Facebook about something being a misdemeanor when it should have been a summary offense. I ended up having to get the DA involved to set…

Many lesser offenses are handled via a summary trial at the local Magistrate in Pennsylvania. The officer is the one representing the state/prosecution in those instances. The DA will typically not get involved (currently going through this). Most of the time I believe it is incompetence or complacency/laziness that would be the cause for incorrect charges. But I have heard of cops screwing someone over by writing the wrong thing (I have friend who are cops and tell stories).

The township police posted info stating that the new 'purple paint' law makes trespassing (defiant) an M3 when a property is posted with purple paint. In reality it only adds purple paint as an alternative to using a sign and carries the same grading as signs (summary offense). If they issue a citation under the wrong grading and someone just pleads guilty to pay the fine, then that misdemeanor can ruin their life by preventing them from passing background checks required by most 'good' jobs and would require expensive legal representation to correct it (see my previous comment on my wife's situation).

The jaywalking example isn't really the same since there is no felony grading of jaywalking. If you look at the prior example of trespassing, that could be graded as S, M3, or M1 depending on the elements of the offense. If the officer is complacent, lazy, incompetent, or malicious, then they might write your citation for the M3 grading even if you didn't meet the definition - you would have to be told in-person to leave and refuse to leave for it to be an M3.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else notice increased incompetence?

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They are fucking with you. Competently. They are doing so on behalf of people on the other side of the “who gets fucked with” line. You thought you were on the other side of the line but it appears you were mistaken. Behaviors premised on a belief law enforcement is incompetent won’t do much for a defendant. Defendants are even further along the “who gets fucked with” spectrum.

I completely get that they can lie and do other tricks in the course of the investigation (hence subpeona the investigation file). They are not supposed to file false charges. The entire premise of our legal system is based on the idea that two equal parties in a fair contest (court) will yield the truth. Abusing the system (violating regulations) is a completely different level. Actually, the behavior premised on in…

The entire premise of our legal system is based on the idea that two equal parties in a fair contest

One side decides who is an equal party. The other side is you.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else notice increased incompetence?

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I completely get that they can lie and do other tricks in the course of the investigation (hence subpeona the investigation file). They are not supposed to file false charges. The entire premise of our legal system is based on the idea that two equal parties in a fair contest (court) will yield the truth. Abusing the system (violating regulations) is a completely different level. Actually, the behavior premised on in…

The entire premise of our legal system is based on the idea that two equal parties in a fair contest One side decides who is an equal party. The other side is you.

If the entire premise of our rule of law is being ignored, then one has no reason to abide by it. Declare it tyranny and become a scofflaw. This disenfranchised mentality is how empires crumble.

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The entire premise of our legal system is based on the idea that two equal parties in a fair contest One side decides who is an equal party. The other side is you.

If the entire premise of our rule of law is being ignored, then one has no reason to abide by it. Declare it tyranny and become a scofflaw. This disenfranchised mentality is how empires crumble.

The premise of common law is the Magna Carta. it was between the king and his nobles. Everyone wasn't a noble.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else notice increased incompetence?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the entire premise of our rule of law is being ignored, then one has no reason to abide by it. Declare it tyranny and become a scofflaw. This disenfranchised mentality is how empires crumble.

The premise of common law is the Magna Carta . it was between the king and his nobles. Everyone wasn't a noble.

Common law is a different thing. Common law is based on historical customs and English Common law is different from American Common law. It can even vary by state.

We aren't governed by the divine right of kings. Our system is based on limited sovereignty and trial by "combat" (truth comes from a fair fight in the courts). The Magna Carta is listed as the beginning of the evolution towards limited sovereignty - it is not the premise on which the current court system is based (it's that truth comes out during a fair fight).

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone else notice increased incompetence?

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No, I notice increased competence. So much I depend on the competence others have which I myself don't. Everything from getting a haircut, to calibrating the ventilation in my apartment, to politicians holding speeches.

politicians holding speeches Curious about this. I can count on one hand the politicians I truly admire/respect, including the world leaders (among the ones I am familiar with, and I am familiar with a few). Why do you think politicians are getting better with speeches? All I see are useless, meaningless, confusing soup of words that they blabber (with few exceptions)

I have held speeches. They required lots of preparation but they were still terrible. Holding good speeches is really hard. Especially for politicians, who must be careful not to say anything factually incorrect, insult anyone or otherwise embarrass themselves ("Please clap").

Suppose you are a politician bankrolled by the oil industry and you're invited to speak at a climate change conference. How do you ensure that your speak neither upset the climate change activists or your rich donors? Not easy.

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