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Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by globular-toast »

smallpipe wrote: post #51
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't live in the UK but I know that feeling of living in a small but wealthy European college town. It looks nice in photos but job opportunities are scarce for those who aren't doctorate alumni of the local university and also rents are expensive, there's no subway so everyone is bumper to bumper in cars.

Cambridge is small enough, and cycle-friendly enough that nothing is more than 15 minutes away. Bumper-to-bumper is a choice (assuming you live reasonably near the centre)

Is it really cycle friendly? Before I moved here I had this idea that it would be like Amsterdam or something. It's not even close. The roads are potholed and badly designed for bicycles. When I used to cycle in from the edge of the city I'd overtake hundreds of cars, as usual, but barely see any other cyclists. Really no different from anywhere else I've lived in the UK except there are, inexplicably, loads of bike chained to railings everywhere.

As for living in the city, you either have to share with someone or pay exorbitant amounts for something tiny. And what are you even getting for the money? In London you get to live in a world-class city with the best public transport in the country. What do you even get in Cambridge? It's only famous for its university, and that is off-limits for plebeians.

Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by uzakov »

pkaye wrote: post #68
uzakov wrote: post #33

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Not sure if your comment is asking about those things or implying that what I said is incorrect. Healthcare costs: I personally do not have experience with USA healthcare system. In terms of UK healthcare system I have mixed feelings: key reasons(short list): 1) While it's free, getting many basic things(like blood, urine tests, ultrasound scan) is complicated if you have no symptoms. It's much cheaper and better for…

I was trying to search online to compare student debt in UK vs US. Any idea why the below link shows a high student debt in England? From https://www.statista.com/statistics/376423/uk-student-loan-d... > In 2020, students graduating from English universities will have incurred an average of 40.28 thousand British pounds of student loan debt... From https://studentloanhero.com/student-loan-debt-statistics/ > It’s 2020…

Can't comment about Wales and Norther Ireland but can make an educated guess about England and Scotland.

University cost of English unis are higher than of Scottish unis. Eg please see Edinburgh university link https://www.ed.ac.uk/tuition-fees/find/undergraduate/2020-20.... For "Artificial Intelligence and Computer Science (BSc Hons)" the cost for Scottish students is £1,820, where for Home - RUK its £9,250. I would assume that many Scottish families can cover the £1,820 cost, where £9,250 is more difficult to cover for more families

Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by jannes »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #44
eyesee wrote: post #27

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Apple has been designing their own CPU's for a decade, using the ARM ISA. Apple has a perpetual license to the ISA though, so they would not be a source of future revenue. Apple is also under no obligation to stick with ARM's roadmap for future products.

This is something I have wondered about and had no idea they basically had some sort of perpetual license. Is this normal for ARM to give out such a license? Or are all ARM licenses basically typically under those conditions? I know ARM mostly just licenses specs to their chips.

ARM is a joint venture that Apple started with Acorn and VLSI.

Article from 1990: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-28-fi-4993-s...

Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by x87678r »

TwiztidK wrote: post #60
x87678r wrote: post #26

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If you're a high demand engineer, you're probably right but SV is special. If you compare London to NY or Birmingham to Altlanta the gap isn't really there. Esp check taxes and healthcare in the US. I've worked both and I'm living in NY based on what I saved when I worked in London, money wise the USA has been surprisingly bad.

You sure? I just did a quick search for EE salaries in London[1] compared to Detroit[2] (the closest large city to me) and Detroit comes out ahead by a lot. And I'm sure rent is cheaper. However, I agree that salaries are ridiculous in some cities. I'd love to give living in NYC or LA a shot, but the salaries I see for EE jobs are marginally more than what I make in the middle of nowhere. 1: https://www.indeed.co.uk/…

You're right. Detroit is higher than I expected. I guess low GBP rates make a difference, when I was in London 1 GBP = 2 USD. (Rent in London is definitely not cheaper.) London isn't a great place for EE. Software in Banks had/has crazy demand.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

rapsey wrote: post #21
uzakov wrote: post #7

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To add to this comment(might be biased as I live and work in the UK): salaries here are just not on the USA level, while costs of items are the same, if not higher(check Apple products price difference on the official website, clothing etc). For many of high demand engineers the choice is London/Manchester or move to the USA

What about health care costs. Education costs. Amount of vacation time. Pension.

With access to a high paying job, like software engineering, all of those are better in the USA.

Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by ksec »

petercooper wrote: post #58

I've been doing a lot of thinking out loud today about the UK's lamentable state with regards to its technology industry today without much disagreement in my back channels – perhaps HN will have more interesting things to say? It feels like the UK's failings in the technology space are entirely cultural. Looking back at the 70s and 80s when the UK punched above its weight in the microcomputer space, UK tech companie…

>It feels like the UK's failings in the technology space are entirely cultural.

Yes, It is cultural. And I think It is more than what you described, Although I may be over generalising it a bit.

If you look at the US, all of the large tech companies, or in fact any big companies, not just tech all have the same mentality. Rule the world. Whether that is Finance, Energy, Food, Tech. The home market US was merely a testing ground, they always had an eye on the world. They are greedy, pushy, willing to go the extra miles to close the deal. The sales forces between US, UK and Continental Europe are very different. Where in UK and EU there are more towards making both party happy. US tends to be ruthless.

US tech communities and companies also has a rather strange workaholic culture. Where employees are expected to put in the extra hours. But of course the pay in US is also a lot better. It also gives the idea that if you wanted money, go to US, or even working in a US company in the UK, or remote. Most UK / EU tech companies are not salary competitive.

Management Style is also different. Which also mean the working environment in tech also flavours US companies. Some of what is common in US is against the norm in UK. This matter in Tech because the space is moving way too fast. Innovation Efficiency is the key. Before you could gasp the basic of one thing you already have to learn another. Compared to other industry you mentioned which tend to have a slower pace, even in finance. what you learned dont change that often. Only the Data changed.

Not to mention the Brits culturally aren't very good at marketing. Something the US is exceptionally good at.

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Post by Rexxar »

klelatti wrote: post #16

The irony in all this is that a government that says it wants to create a 'trillion dollar tech giant' has no idea what to do with the one world leading tech company that is based in the UK. [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/09/11/cummings-p...

> Cummings suggested that a no-deal Brexit could allow the Government to offer state aid to the country’s most promising technology businesses

The second level irony is that it's the UK that has always been the main opponent to every state subsidies while they were in European union.

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Post by jhallenworld »

petercooper wrote: post #58

I've been doing a lot of thinking out loud today about the UK's lamentable state with regards to its technology industry today without much disagreement in my back channels – perhaps HN will have more interesting things to say? It feels like the UK's failings in the technology space are entirely cultural. Looking back at the 70s and 80s when the UK punched above its weight in the microcomputer space, UK tech companie…

For the case of social media sites, maybe this has to do with the culture at UK universities. Perhaps only in the US do you find people who notice other people socializing with computers and then deciding to exploit, scale and monetize it. Did UK students socialize with computers? You bet they did- lots of UK students on USENET/irc back in the day. So where were the greedy businessmen who would exploit that?
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