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ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

uzakov wrote: post #34
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL, that's rich, engineers in the UK feeling underpaid when you have the best market for SW engineers in Europe(London). Wanna see underpaid? Come to Austria.

I haven't been to Austria but numbeo seems to suggest what you say is incorrect on majority if not most of parameters https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...

Income levels wise, Numbeo is just a mish-mash full of noise and can't be taken seriously to judge salaries of skilled professionals(that's what we're talking about right?)

Sure, poor people have it better in Vienna because it's cheaper and has better social services than London but skilled professionals(developers and engineers) have it worse as underpaying is rampant in the tech industry there.

Sources: me living there and my friends living in the UK

Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by [deleted] »

reader_mode wrote: post #37
chrisseaton wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like most tech people I know in the UK, I've worked for North American companies my whole career. I'd love to work for a UK company and support investment in the UK more, but the pay and working conditions just aren't even remotely competitive (how crazy does that sound, saying I have to go to North American companies to get better working conditions but it's true.) Thankfully more and more let you work remotely from…

> I'd love to work for a UK company and support investment in the UK more, but the pay and working conditions just aren't competitive (how crazy does that sound, saying I have to go to North American companies to get better working conditions but it's true.) Why is that crazy ? From what I've seen the standard of living in the US is actually really good if you're a skilled professional in a high demand field and the…

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Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by mongol »

tyingq wrote: post #30
LatteLazy wrote: post #22

I'm very confused. We sold this to the Japanese already!

Yeah, I'm confused as well. SoftBank could have done things the UK didn't like. They've owned ARM since mid 2016.

Sounds like the story with Volvo Cars. Ford sold it to Geely, but it was like it was sold to a foreign owner in the first place.

Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by giancarlostoro »

eyesee wrote: post #27
tus88 wrote: post #23

Isn't apple about to design their own cpu? I would be selling arm asap.

Apple has been designing their own CPU's for a decade, using the ARM ISA. Apple has a perpetual license to the ISA though, so they would not be a source of future revenue. Apple is also under no obligation to stick with ARM's roadmap for future products.

This is something I have wondered about and had no idea they basically had some sort of perpetual license. Is this normal for ARM to give out such a license? Or are all ARM licenses basically typically under those conditions? I know ARM mostly just licenses specs to their chips.

Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by reallydontask »

chrisseaton wrote: post #39
reader_mode wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd love to work for a UK company and support investment in the UK more, but the pay and working conditions just aren't competitive (how crazy does that sound, saying I have to go to North American companies to get better working conditions but it's true.) Why is that crazy ? From what I've seen the standard of living in the US is actually really good if you're a skilled professional in a high demand field and the…

> Why is that crazy ? Because people think the big benefit of being at a European company that balances the worse pay is more vacation, more reasonable working hours, better work-life balance, working autonomy. But that's not true. It's the opposite. I get far better vacation, working hours, work-life balance, working autonomy at North American companies. And better pay. So what's the benefit of working for a Europea…

Do you work in the US or UK?

I read your original post as working in the UK for an American company, but now I'm not so sure

Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by [deleted] »

reallydontask wrote: post #47
chrisseaton wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is that crazy ? Because people think the big benefit of being at a European company that balances the worse pay is more vacation, more reasonable working hours, better work-life balance, working autonomy. But that's not true. It's the opposite. I get far better vacation, working hours, work-life balance, working autonomy at North American companies. And better pay. So what's the benefit of working for a Europea…

Do you work in the US or UK? I read your original post as working in the UK for an American company, but now I'm not so sure

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Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by reader_mode »

Avamander wrote: post #40
reader_mode wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd love to work for a UK company and support investment in the UK more, but the pay and working conditions just aren't competitive (how crazy does that sound, saying I have to go to North American companies to get better working conditions but it's true.) Why is that crazy ? From what I've seen the standard of living in the US is actually really good if you're a skilled professional in a high demand field and the…

> Which is why I'm not sure why I see so much US negative comments around here and this smug EU stance Because not only the (relatively) rich matter.

Sure but the US has plenty of advantages over EU and EU is quite bad in some regards as well (especially with regards to equality across the EU - US is usually grouped together but people seem to be talking west Europe and Scandinavian countries when discussing EU, meanwhile I just saw a report how in eastern Europe women are doing surrogate pregnancies as a paid gig because of their living conditions ... if you travel through parts of EU like Bulgaria you'll quickly encounter some medieval living conditions)

Re: ARM: Can 'crown jewel' of UK technology be protected?

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Post by uzakov »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #41
uzakov wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't been to Austria but numbeo seems to suggest what you say is incorrect on majority if not most of parameters https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...

Income levels wise, Numbeo is just a mish-mash full of noise and can't be taken seriously to judge salaries of skilled professionals(that's what we're talking about right?) Sure, poor people have it better in Vienna because it's cheaper and has better social services than London but skilled professionals(developers and engineers) have it worse as underpaying is rampant in the tech industry there. Sources: me living t…

Do your friends on the similar level save more per month after all bills and taxes than you? Genuine question

PS will they be saving more in the situation where both of you had promotions?

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