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Feds seize ‘counterfeit Apple AirPods’ that are actually OnePlus Buds

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Re: Feds seize ‘counterfeit Apple AirPods’ that are actually OnePlus Buds

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Sidebar: Why has the AirPod design become so ubiquitous? I always thought they were the ugliest earbuds since earbuds became small. Is there some technical reason they have this design? Or do people actually like it? Or is it simply the Apple effect?

Anything is better than the fully in-ear design that makes up 90% of earbuds on the market.

The fully in ear design works very, very, very well once you figure out the proper tips for you. Otherwise, the around-the-ear IEM design works well too.

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I’m fairly certain they are the exact same ones confiscated. It’s a near blatant knockoff of Apple’s patented designs. Now should Apple be able to get said all encompassing design patents? That’s a different debate.

Looks like rather generic design to me, especially since a substantial parts of are basically dictated by the human anatomy. So regardless the questionable nature of design patents in the first place, this design certainly does not warrant such patents. But in any case, that's for a court to decide. Does the USA actively seize other products that violate patents without a court case? How would they even determine inf…

US Customs has been checking international shipments for counterfeit goods and other contraband since a long time. It's part of what a Customs agency customarily does.

How else would you prevent counterfeit goods from entering a country? For domestic mad counterfeits, it's possible to enforce laws (or court orders) prohibiting manufacture, but that's not really the case when the products are made overseas.

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CBP has no idea what your intention is. Would you agree that a reasonable assumption that if an electronic is shipped with an AC adaptor, then that electronic will be used with it? And CBP does not have a crystal ball: - Are you using it as is? - If the UL marking is fake, who is to know about the entire thing? - Are you going to resell this? If so, is the AC adaptor going with it? - How do they know that this was an…

"what should they have done?" Seized the adapters. That would have been enough for me to be more careful about adapters in the future. Seizing the whole shipment hurts me, but not the supplier. See my other example here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24469959 There's any number of things you might not expect, and the receiver is the only one hurt when they are a smaller player.

Have you considered using a US based supplier instead?

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I dunno, that sounds correct to me (contra the article here where they're just mindbogglingly wrong). The customs process isn't designed to prioritize customer value, it's designed to prevent counterfeit goods from reaching the market. These were counterfeit. Demanding that they part out the shipment for you to separate the stuff-they-can't-prove-is-counterfeit from the stuff-recipient-actually-wants isn't their job.…

They wouldn't "part it out", they would let me do it. This was an air shipment and the goods were in the same city I'm in. While I'm not happy with the supplier, I don't think this was intentional on their part either. They just source AC adapters from someone else in Shenzhen. You can imagine they aren't real familiar with the consequences of trademark infringement. Which is what this was. Edit: Note that it was all…

They would do the same thing if your car was impounded because you were driving around and selling drugs.

Re: Feds seize ‘counterfeit Apple AirPods’ that are actually OnePlus Buds

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OnePlus official reply to CBP tweet. Hey, give those back! Upside-down face. https://twitter.com/OnePlus_USA/status/1305366058501509121

Yah, what's with the 1+ logo on the package?? They just came out with their new wireless headphone a couple months ago.

Edit: saw others comments re: possibly at Apple's behest due to perceived infringement. Though I'm sure we'd have read about that before now.

Re: Feds seize ‘counterfeit Apple AirPods’ that are actually OnePlus Buds

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Not sure I understand how this is newsworthy exactly, people make mistakes (even those on HN) and there is due process and recourse for whoever was impacted by this mistake. If the implication is that if law enforcement make mistakes they cannot be legitimate then I think we should just give up on the idea, but I guess this is more or less what is being advocated for, so maybe it can be stated more directly.

> there is due process and recourse for whoever was impacted by this mistake.

I wouldn't be so sure. When you're going up against the US government and the largest US corporation it's going to be an uphill battle.

Re: Feds seize ‘counterfeit Apple AirPods’ that are actually OnePlus Buds

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They wouldn't "part it out", they would let me do it. This was an air shipment and the goods were in the same city I'm in. While I'm not happy with the supplier, I don't think this was intentional on their part either. They just source AC adapters from someone else in Shenzhen. You can imagine they aren't real familiar with the consequences of trademark infringement. Which is what this was. Edit: Note that it was all…

They would do the same thing if your car was impounded because you were driving around and selling drugs.

I'm not a fan of civil forfeiture either. Pretty clearly skirts due process and the presumption of innocence.

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I think it's highly likely that the shipping manifest said Apple AirPods on it in an attempt to avoid importation tariffs.

This stupid business of implementing tariffs and then giving specific companies exemptions is not exactly fair, but its also not the fault of CBP.

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You seem assume that CBP will just trust you on your word alone. That's my entire point. They don't know what your intentions with this are, nor if you are being truthful.

If that's true... then they should investigate, not make an assumption and simply capture all of someones valuable property. OP is inside of the US, and probably lives here as well. He's not a flight risk, and its totally reasonable to ask them to go through slow bureaucratic means to make sure they get it right. CBP acts like they are the first line in a war when really they ought to be helping people come into comp…

> CBP acts like they are the first line in a war

Taped to the wall on the Sault Ste. Marie crossing CBP station:

"We Are The First Line Of Defense"

Re: Feds seize ‘counterfeit Apple AirPods’ that are actually OnePlus Buds

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It was, but the follow-up action designed to minimize risk of loss when caught by customs rather than avoiding import of fraudulent goods blurred image of your intentions. If you can get the shipments split, I'm sure you could also get them to not send the power adapters at all. If, however, you needed power adapters, you need to import proper ones - not just for legal reasons, but for the safety of the end-users.

> It was, but the follow-up action designed to minimize risk of loss when caught by customs rather than avoiding import of fraudulent goods blurred image of your intentions. It seems pretty clear to me, I think you're missing the point of the post. It's that this person is protecting his business in a way that's effective because the government isn't, and this is what he's forced to do when dealing with agencies that…

CBP in this case isn't looking out for his best interest, they're looking out for the consumer's best interest. Counterfeit goods? Well, now the whole thing is suspect. It makes sense to me.
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