While we are at it we should name some of these west coast fires after the politicians who have supported shutting down the forests to sensible resource management.
Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise awareness of dangers
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Re: Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise awareness of dangers
#62Are we going to officially name every tornado? Every earthquake? The article leads with “we need more drama...” - I think we have enough, thank you. We need to consider the psychological affects of these things. We already stir people into collective panics for so many things. Do we need to add another? People need less anxiety in their lives.
We ABSOLUTELY need to make people panic about heatwaves. We need to make people lose sleep about it. Get distracted by it. Feel sick about. Climate change is going to kill millions if we don't act hard, and fast. We need a global, coordinated, war-like effort immediately to prevent the displacement of billions and a new world war. Coronavirus lockdown is not even going to be a blip on the radar compared to life on th…
How exactly does climate change lead to a world war?
I can understand that there will be many climate refugees, but refugees don’t form armies that can stand up to a standing Western army. I’ve always understood the biggest threat to be mass displacement and starvation, leading to closed off borders, and poverty and death in severely impacted countries like Bangladesh.
But world war? Not so sure. The world powers will easily adapt to climate change.
The US is immense and for every county with more forest fires, a faraway county will have better crop yields. For every city abandoned by floods, inland cities will swell in population and prestige.
Re: Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise awareness of dangers
#63Give natural disasters a CVE code
Even better, let's give them descriptive systematic names just like IUPAC does to molecules!
Re: Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise awareness of dangers
#64I am not a fan. We’re heading to naming all the major weather which happens often and is just going to desensitize people. The NOAA already doesn’t recognize winter storm names and I would expect them to use the same rationale for not naming heat waves, cold waves or any other extreme weather events that don’t bring destruction. (Not arguing against the danger of heatwaves).
>I am not a fan.
Also agree. I've stopped watching the Weather Channel because I can't stand all of the stupid storm names. Naming everything doesn't raise awareness, it just creates fatigue and reduces the impact of "named == you'd better pay attention".
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#65While we are at it we should name some of these west coast fires after the politicians who have supported shutting down the forests to sensible resource management.
Yet west coast politicians want to stop calling them "wild fires" in favor of a new term "climate fires".
So the question is, how much of these wildfires are due to climate change, and how much is due to bad forest "resource management" (not sure what this entails - preventing more frequent smaller fires with firefighting which causes bigger fires years later?) and how much to some other reason (water table depletion, etc)?
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
How certain is that, given that according to previous predictions the Earth should currently be uninhabitable?
By all means, provide us with reputable sources that claim "the Earth should currently be uninhabitable". We'll wait.
Not OP but a quick google search. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-spectacularly-wrong-predic...
Re: Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise awareness of dangers
#67I think this may be a misconception that names raise awareness. In Japan, typhoons and large storms (tsunami..) get scientific names. However awareness is quite well represented in the population. I think what you need to change is how information is distributed in a culture that is more focused on video/music than reading. As well, tying this back into the costs they may face if they ignore it (fear sells)
However since we are now entering a solar minimum (entered?) I think this problem will disappear in the next few decades (or centuries). The question is does this problem need to be tackled with this new paradigm?
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
How certain is that, given that according to previous predictions the Earth should currently be uninhabitable?
By all means, provide us with reputable sources that claim "the Earth should currently be uninhabitable". We'll wait.
I'm not sure this is a particularly constructive line of debate, but predictions in the 1970s from [sources well known and accepted by mainstream press, if not reputable in hindsight or by other definitions] are pretty numerous. Here is one from Paul Ehrlich in April 1970:
"Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make...The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years."
There are many more. I think this type of stuff was that decade's click bait.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I agree "for the planet" is terrible messaging (namely, the planet's been through worse and will be just fine), I also think your proposed change is bullshit. Your children will and their children will be fine, but there's big and real chance that they will not have the standard of life you have and certainly far below what they could have. I think that's plenty scary in its own.
>Your children will and their children will be fine What about the children who died in the fires now in USA, in Australia, Floods in India and elsewhere all of which have been worse than ever in this century and the reason being attributed to climate change?
Humans of all ages have been killed by natural disasters as long as there has been humans. Nothing new. It is not like huge numbers of people are being killed by them all of a sudden. Increase in population and structure construction in these forests is why the toll seems higher now.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
We ABSOLUTELY need to make people panic about heatwaves. We need to make people lose sleep about it. Get distracted by it. Feel sick about. Climate change is going to kill millions if we don't act hard, and fast. We need a global, coordinated, war-like effort immediately to prevent the displacement of billions and a new world war. Coronavirus lockdown is not even going to be a blip on the radar compared to life on th…
I’d be down for preventing the accompanying world war, but I’m neutral about displacing billions. Maybe I’m just a naturally-nomadic person, but I don’t see anything too wrong with governments making ultra-long-term plans to negotiate a rewrite of all global geographical borders by “sliding” the definitions of all existing countries further away from the equator and toward the poles, abandoning existing cities “inlan…
This idea is absurd to the point of lunacy.
Since you have not provided any discussion on the enormous obvious objections, this is effectively a troll (can I use that word?).
It's a comment bomb that would require dissenters to argue with specificities which you have declined to include, in some grossly asymmetric waste of time and energy.
So I leave this response, in lieu of a downvote.