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Re: PayPal is currently blocking all transactions containing the word “tardigrade”

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Per [0], a possible answer to this seems to be that an arms dealer had connections to a company called Tardigrade Ltd. and all transactions with firms like these are prohibited which is why the word "Tardigrade" made it into PayPal's filter. As long as companies like PayPal have issues like that, or with moderation in case of Youtube, Twitter or Facebook, I'd claim neither of these companies have actually solved scal…

I feel like I'm missing some obvious link here. If changing the name on a legitimate transaction is enough to let it go through, what stops actual Evil Terrorists (tm) from just telling their financiers that their name has changed every three months to stay ahead of specific filters? If I had infinite resources, IMO, the way to go with this sort of thing is to have no blocked transactions or obvious failures, and onl…

It makes the government officials and a certain percentage of ignorant public see how much busywork is done to stop the terrorists and feel good about it.

I bet a lot of malevolent transactions do slip through the cracks because of how laughably naive this system is.

Re: PayPal is currently blocking all transactions containing the word “tardigrade”

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The payments won’t still go through - if you look at the links, PayPal is returning a big red error message to customers. It doesn’t look like PayPal is doing any kind of review, they are just blocking all transactions with Tardigrade in the associated text anywhere.

How do you think a review process works? It's not instant. When you try to process the payment, the OFAC check fails, and it's flagged for manual review. Only option is to show the user an error

As a retailer who has been stung by this bullshit with PayPal many times in the past, I can tell you with absolute certainty that the payment doesn't go through ever, at all.

It isn't flagged and reviewed, it's just outright rejected with a cryptic error message indicating that someone, somewhere breached PayPal's terms of service. No money leaves the customer's account, no money arrives in the vendor's account; the process simply fails.

Re: PayPal is currently blocking all transactions containing the word “tardigrade”

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When Castro took over the owners of the brands fled and took the rights to the brands with them. At the same time the Cuban government kept making the cigars under the same name. So for every major brand you will find 2 in the world, one Cuban, one not.

And the non-Cuban ones are laughably awful. The unexpected benefit of the embargo is it forced them to maintain a super premium product. They've had some anecdotal quality issues since Castro died, but being shielded from US markets and globalization made for better products in that case.

I am not sure what you are talking about but some of the best cigars in the world are not Cuban. Just look at CA top 25 list over the last 10 years. The H. Upmann (non Cuban) 175th Anniversary is an amazing stick. Cuban cigars have a unique flavor profile and can be amazing but they have not evolved at all. Also they have had some major quality issues. If I go into any store in London to by a box I am allowed to inspect each stick and build a box of good quality ones from a set of boxes. To be fair, the quality issues have gotten better in the last few years.

Re: PayPal is currently blocking all transactions containing the word “tardigrade”

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This seems like poor branding on the part of the cigar brands (at least for online sales).

Is "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" a bad brand for margarine? Imagine it getting flagged by the butter police.

The difference is that there are no butter police, while there are in fact Cuban embargo police that will cause much greater difficulties in selling anything with the word "Cuban" in it.

So, no, "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" is not a bad brand for margarine, but saying "Cuban" something in a cigar which causes all manner of embargo difficulties is bad branding.

Re: PayPal is currently blocking all transactions containing the word “tardigrade”

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Per [0], a possible answer to this seems to be that an arms dealer had connections to a company called Tardigrade Ltd. and all transactions with firms like these are prohibited which is why the word "Tardigrade" made it into PayPal's filter. As long as companies like PayPal have issues like that, or with moderation in case of Youtube, Twitter or Facebook, I'd claim neither of these companies have actually solved scal…

From a 2019 Worldcheck copy, and OFAC SDN https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/sdnlist.txt > TARDIGRADE LIMITED, Dimitriados 1, Limassol 4004, Cyprus; Registration Number C378737 (Cyprus) [GLOMAG] (Linked To: TESIC, Slobodan). > TESIC, Slobodan (a.k.a. SLOBODAN, Tezic), Serbia; DOB 21 Dec 1958; POB Kiseljak, Bosnia and Herzegovina; nationality Serbia; citizen Serbia; Gender Male; Passport 009511357 (Serbia) expire…

You are misspelling TARĐIGRADE. That word is Serbian, not English. The Latin form of the language has the letters /d/ (upper "D" and lower "d") and /dz/ (upper "Đ" and lower "đ").

There is also a TARGET TRANSPORTATION LIMITED on the list. PayPal, in their infinite stupidity, would probably block transfers to the retailer Target.

Re: PayPal is currently blocking all transactions containing the word “tardigrade”

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Farther down the thread: A few people mentioned OFAC sanctions, so I investigated a bit more. In Dec 2019, US Dept of Treasury sanctioned companies linked to Serbian arms dealer Slobodan Tesic, including Cyprus-based Tardigrade Ltd. So PayPal flags tardigrade ornaments by mistake.

Is it possible you could spell the word correctly? It is Serbian, not English.

Re: PayPal is currently blocking all transactions containing the word “tardigrade”

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GDPR has a separate, less-known article that bans fully automated decision making without an appeals process: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-22-gdpr/ It's unlikely you'll be able to get Paypal to actually comply with it, but going through a path that will hit someone familiar with GDPR and mentioning this article, and escalating via the DPA, is probably the most promising option Obviously doesn't help if you need something…

That's actually a good (if slow) solution, given that payment processing is important enough to hit the filter (significant recourse or something).

Re: PayPal is currently blocking all transactions containing the word “tardigrade”

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And the non-Cuban ones are laughably awful. The unexpected benefit of the embargo is it forced them to maintain a super premium product. They've had some anecdotal quality issues since Castro died, but being shielded from US markets and globalization made for better products in that case.

I am not sure what you are talking about but some of the best cigars in the world are not Cuban. Just look at CA top 25 list over the last 10 years. The H. Upmann (non Cuban) 175th Anniversary is an amazing stick. Cuban cigars have a unique flavor profile and can be amazing but they have not evolved at all. Also they have had some major quality issues. If I go into any store in London to by a box I am allowed to insp…

If I'm buying Cuban singles, I get it cut in the shop at the counter and check the draw to see if it's plugged. There are great non-Cubans, just not the fake brand ones, imo. The Avo Domaine is one of my all time favourites, and any Ashton maduro is my go-to when I'm stateside. I haven't had a Davidoff that I remembered well enough to get another of, and for that price, it should have been more memorable. It's a very individual thing. Given how recklessly dangerous it is to smoke anything at all, I keep it to a few high end ones as an occasional treat, as if I'm going to be giving myself cancer, it had better be the fancy cancer.

Re: PayPal is currently blocking all transactions containing the word “tardigrade”

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PayPal can pretty much always refuse to process any given transaction. They are not keeping anyone’s money, they are just refusing to accept a transaction request. There’s no money to “pay out.”

>They are not keeping anyone’s money, they are just refusing to accept a transaction request. Wrong. Assets under U.S. jurisdiction that are owned by or being transferred to persons or organizations on the Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons List must be frozen. Furthermore, the Department of Treasury has a right to seize these funds without due process.

Please read the article. These are people trying to buy tardigrade-themed items from an online store. PayPal is not taking and then freezing their funds, they are just refusing to process the transaction.

Re: PayPal is currently blocking all transactions containing the word “tardigrade”

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PayPal can pretty much always refuse to process any given transaction. They are not keeping anyone’s money, they are just refusing to accept a transaction request. There’s no money to “pay out.”

Of course, that makes sense, reading the parent comment I thought it implied that they were letting some money in and not letting it back out. In fact I could swear I've read about PayPal doing that - letting money in, not letting it out.

PayPal DOES do that frequently, mostly if you trigger some risk threshold on your account. But, then again, so do regular credit card processors.
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