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Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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From a non-US perspective, you described the dominant ideology of both your political parties. I'm not saying they are 'the same', but they both are extreme neoliberale market proponents. They also both embrace a tight intertwined government and enterprise regimen to the point where it becomes very difficult to tell who owns who, or whether it is just one organisation.

Sorry, no, that is not the dominant ideology of both parties. You didn’t say “both sides are the same” but you are equating neoliberalism with anti-science. Go bang that “neoliberals bad” drum somewhere else.

Neoliberals are pro-market, and markets are inherently anti-science.

If they weren't anti-science they wouldn't spend so much time running campaigns to discredit objective scientific research that harms their financial interests - from the effects of tobacco to lead in petrol to opioids to big oil to climate change.

The historical record on this is absolutely crystal clear and unambiguous.

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And those TVs created a lot of Chinese jobs.

You are downvoted probably because it seemed snarky but I thought it was an interesting point and appreciated it.

Please don't fret about my downvotes... most people are morons, so a comment's votes are not an indicator of anything substantive about it.

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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The United States balances innovation with ethics ? The people of Hiroshima or the victims of agent orange might have something to say about that.

Do you actually think damages caused in actual wars are somehow comparable to those in peace time technical development? What do you really mean by that?

DuPont developed Teflon, then made billions by taking it to market without developing a way to dispose of the toxic waste byproducts of the manufacturing process. They just dumped it into virgin streams in West Virginia.

Then they avoided responsibility for the deaths they caused by spending millions in the us court system to reduce the damages payout to less than one years profits.

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Google search is controlled by large (Chinese) botnets. Given that Google has >= 90% of the search market, the ball seems dropped right there. For instance, a botnet includes thousands of sites including xxxcommitted, pornsextube, qastack, thecouponholiday etc edit: thanks for down vote Xi

Citation needed.

Effects of botnet in practice: https://imgur.com/mfFRgVj

Citations:

https://support.google.com/webmasters/thread/36048251?hl=en

https://www.reddit.com/r/SEO/comments/fuf3gz/got_hundreds_of...

https://old.reddit.com/r/SEO/comments/f798iu/getting_spammed...

https://old.reddit.com/r/SEO/comments/ecokzw/i_am_getting_ba...

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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The United States balances innovation with ethics ? The people of Hiroshima or the victims of agent orange might have something to say about that.

How about we look at that quote with a bit of nuance?

This is literally coming out of the military. I think the OP is spot on.

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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I would say the serious work was done before...you know the operating-system. Like with chrome..the serious work was made before...khtml.

No, not really. The vast majority of the OS was developed after Android was acquired. It wasn't even a shippable product before then. Source: I have a Sooner, the first ever android phone, abd I wrote software for it.

The value of Android to Google is that it enables them to gather vast quantities of data from their users. Google uses this data to enhance the efficacy of its advertising, by predicting what people will click on.

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Tangential, since this article is about the US and China. But if the US has dropped the ball, then Europe (or the EU specifically) didn't even bother to go to the game. The only thing we're innovative at is coming up with regulations. And I say this as someone who thinks the US tech sector should be under much heavier regulatory scrutiny.

Since you mention regulation, I think it is something to be proud of. GDPR, Germany saying hell-no to forced Facebook accounts, etc. As for innovation? US isn't even top 10 when it comes to Nobel prize per capita ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_l... ). IKEA, SAP, Beretta, Airbus, Spotify, Linux, Prometheus, Grafana, Booking.com just from the top of my head of things that are proof of Euro…

Booking is a subsidiary of Priceline, a US company. Nobel prize winners may not come from the US but in the sciences at least they live there.

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"This high skills immigration is crucial to American competitiveness, global competitiveness, building these new companies and so forth," he said. "America does not have enough people with those skills." Translation -- US software engineer salaries are still too high for his liking, so he wants to dilute the market with more to lower the overall cost.

Bingo It really annoys me when they bitch about not being able to bring in skilled workers from overseas because they can't find skilled people here... Hey, maybe they should fucking train someone! Usually when a tech boss is complaining about not having skilled staff locally it's code for "... I want to find someone cheaper overseas". It's like seeing a job ad that wants a wizard at everything but has terrible pay,…

I agree that it's about cheaper workers. On the other hand, the percentage of persons who are willing to be trained in the software industry is low.

The millenials and later go straight for politics and dethroning anyone who was there longer than 5 years.

It shows in the Rube Goldberg BS they are producing.

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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A reminder that Google's revenues come almost completely from ad technology that they bought (from Doubleclick, IIRC). Google has stuck its fingers into hundreds of pies since then, to its credit, and has found that innovation is difficult, unpredictable, and expensive.

Google Ads was not an acquisition. Google had a successful home grown online ad business for ~8 years before they bought DoubleClick. Google AdWords was launched in 2000 [1] and acquired DoubleClick in 2008 [2].

DoubleClick was a competitor and the acquisition faced antitrust scrutiny [3]. In addition to eliminating a competitor, the acquisition helped Google expand into display ads, and DoubleClick was seen as the market leader in that segment [3]. Google had previously only been a leader in search and contextual text ads [3].

While Google does not break out display ads, they do break out ad revenue from Google properties, Youtube, and ads on 3rd part sites. Google generally only displays text ads on Google-branded sites, while Youtube and 3rd party site ad revenue is a mix of text and display ads. From their most recent earnings report, Google-branded site ad revenue was $21,319 M, Youtube was $3,812 M, and 3rd party sites was $4,736 M [4]. As you can see, to this day, display ads make up a small portion of Google's ad revenue.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Ads [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoubleClick [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/14/technology/14DoubleClick.... [4] https://abc.xyz/investor/static/pdf/2020Q2_alphabet_earnings...

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Tangential, since this article is about the US and China. But if the US has dropped the ball, then Europe (or the EU specifically) didn't even bother to go to the game. The only thing we're innovative at is coming up with regulations. And I say this as someone who thinks the US tech sector should be under much heavier regulatory scrutiny.

Since you mention regulation, I think it is something to be proud of. GDPR, Germany saying hell-no to forced Facebook accounts, etc. As for innovation? US isn't even top 10 when it comes to Nobel prize per capita ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_l... ). IKEA, SAP, Beretta, Airbus, Spotify, Linux, Prometheus, Grafana, Booking.com just from the top of my head of things that are proof of Euro…

> As for innovation? US isn't even top 10 when it comes to Nobel prize per capita

Your per capita list is an epic compliment to the US.

The fact that the US is #15 per capita is extraordinary, given your list is comparing the US to top ten countries like East Timor, Saint Lucia, Luxembourg and Iceland, where if you get one or two you leap ahead of the entire world.

Among large population nations, only the UK and Germany rank higher, with Germany only slightly ahead. The UK for their part are far beyond everyone else on any reasonable comparison scale.

The US has five times the population of France and exceeds them on Nobels per capita. That is an amazing performance by the US.

The fact that the US is so massive and still ranks ahead of: the Netherlands, Belgium, Canada, Australia, Finland, New Zealand, Italy, Japan, Spain, Portugal, Greece, etc. - is similarly staggering.

The US has over three times the rate of Italy, nearly double the rate of Canada, and over five times the rate of Japan.

The US per capita rate is 46% higher than the EU.

I'm going to drop Saint Lucia, East Timor, Iceland and Luxembourg from the comparison list because it's beyond silly, they all have one Nobel and micro populations. On a more rational list, the US is #11, with an 11.7 rate per 10m people. A nearby comparison is Ireland with a 14.5 rate; Ireland has seven total, the US has 383 and roughly 70 times the population. Like I said, it's an epic compliment for the US to be so highly ranked on a list dominated by small populations. The US is the sole country over 100 million population until you get down to #35 Japan at a 2.2 rate; except for the UK, the top 10 is all under 10 million population.

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