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Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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> "America does not have enough people with those skills." Seriously, I feel the US has a big education problem, with part of it being cultural I think. Seems being educated, knowledgeable, having expertise, learning about science and technology, medicine and law, just isn't valued anymore, in fact it's almost being denigrated and shamed. What I see instead is people pushing for anti-intellectualism and valuing the "…

> in fact it's almost being denigrated and shamed. "Almost" really isn't necessary there anymore. There's a growing group that believes virtually all doctors, scientists, and professionals within certain fields are "in on it" and part of some big conspiracy to do some vague, undefined thing that'll take down America and corrupt their children. These used to just be a fringe group. Now it feels like about half the peo…

I mean, it is hard to reason with you on your opinion, since anybody who doesn't echo what you say would be just classified by you as a member of this group and his opinion automatically dismissed. And this wouldn't even make you doubt yourself, since "half the people you know are buying into that stuff" already and you seem to be pretty confident that it is them who are fools buying into some cheap nonsense, not you.

However, as a possible member of this community of fools myself, I feel like there are some pretty good reasons to hold opinions you probably find so ridiculous that it isn't even worth your time to consider them. Of course, everything can be ridiculed by making such a generalizations as "virtually all doctors, scientists, and professionals": about every possible sentence starting with something as generic as that would turn out either ridiculously false, or ridiculously obvious.

The point being pretty much the contrary: unfortunately, having a title doesn't equal "being qualified and trustworthy" even on topics that supposedly should be covered by that title, much less on making generic political/historic/socio-economic claims. Moreover, being a professional liar with a nice title seems to be a pretty solid career choice nowadays (well, pretty much always was, if you ask me, but it is you who is claiming that number of people who notice this is growing).

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Give me a break. I have been living in China and this man has no idea about what he is talking about. He is talking about pre-bubble China.

People are comparing the official numbers of Governments on the West, like Covid expansion, economy growth, investment on R&D and so on with the Chinese's. But the Chinese numbers are just a lie.

You just can not trust whatever numbers the Chinese give you. You can not trust any government in the West either but those governments have a democracy, journalists that can expose the truth or reality,competition and super super important, rule of Law.

In the West you can expose what your government does bad by law. It is not perfect but orders of magnitude better than on China.

For example journalists or scientists can investigate covid traceability, in China it is just officially forbidden.

Belgium has one of the biggest official numbers on coronavirus deaths just because they lie less than other Governments like Spain that have actually bigger real numbers. And Chinese numbers are in another league.

You just can not compare the numbers given by democratic governments with those of totalitarian regimes, because on paper they are fantastic, but in reality they are not true.

In China everything is controlled by the CCP, including (specially) the statistics.

People that have never lived there just can not comprehend how amazing are the structures that we have in the West(that took centuries to develop).

We take those structures for granted and believe other countries have those and are playing with the same rules as we do, but they do not.

China has lots of problems today, floods and covid had created havoc in the economy, much more than in the West. It is not easy to feed the enormous population they have.

But you don't know about it because giving bad news about China is just forbidden. In fact China had censored Western articles about China(Do you want face masks? We are sorry but until you remove that and that person that criticizes China on your media you will not have face masks.)

The population is growing older fast, they have less women than men because they abort girls and they can not do anything about that because abortion there is super easy.

When the economy was booming everything was great. People lived a tough life but expected their children to life much better. When the bubble burst is completely different.

The US has much brighter future than China. I say that as a European. People on USA have kids and they have much more resources because of the small population density.

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Thats just utterly untrue and the reverse of whats actually true. "states that were coded as blue based upon results from the 2004 presidential election were significantly higher in education funding than were states coded as red. Students in blue states scored significantly higher on outcome measures of math and reading in grades four and eight than did students in red states." https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED5…

That’s the most facile thing I’ve ever read. Did it control for cost of living? Did it control for demographics? In 2019, and I’m using this because you can explore it at https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/mathematics/states/groups?... , Mississippi’s 8th grade math mean score was the same as New Hampshire’s, when comparing white students. Mississippi is just way less white than New Hampshire. California, also near th…

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"This high skills immigration is crucial to American competitiveness, global competitiveness, building these new companies and so forth," he said. "America does not have enough people with those skills." Translation -- US software engineer salaries are still too high for his liking, so he wants to dilute the market with more to lower the overall cost.

Bingo It really annoys me when they bitch about not being able to bring in skilled workers from overseas because they can't find skilled people here... Hey, maybe they should fucking train someone! Usually when a tech boss is complaining about not having skilled staff locally it's code for "... I want to find someone cheaper overseas". It's like seeing a job ad that wants a wizard at everything but has terrible pay,…

Or they don’t really care where a skilled worker comes from... we should be able to higher and attract best and brightest across the world. Current immigration system is not setup for that.

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> "America does not have enough people with those skills." Seriously, I feel the US has a big education problem, with part of it being cultural I think. Seems being educated, knowledgeable, having expertise, learning about science and technology, medicine and law, just isn't valued anymore, in fact it's almost being denigrated and shamed. What I see instead is people pushing for anti-intellectualism and valuing the "…

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Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats just utterly untrue and the reverse of whats actually true. "states that were coded as blue based upon results from the 2004 presidential election were significantly higher in education funding than were states coded as red. Students in blue states scored significantly higher on outcome measures of math and reading in grades four and eight than did students in red states." https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED5…

Is there any correlation at all between increased school funding and better educational outcomes? For instance, Utah spends $5k per student per year while Baltimore spends $25k per student per year. Utahan children have higher graduation rates, better GPAs, and better standardized test scores. It's the same across the US from NYC to LA. I'm growing more and more skeptical that throwing more and more money into the fu…

According to [1] Utah spends $10,510 per student per year and according to [2] Baltimore spends $16,184. Where did you get your figures?

[1] https://auditor.utah.gov/audit_reports/public-education/

[2] https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2019/school-s...

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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post #19

> "America does not have enough people with those skills." Seriously, I feel the US has a big education problem, with part of it being cultural I think. Seems being educated, knowledgeable, having expertise, learning about science and technology, medicine and law, just isn't valued anymore, in fact it's almost being denigrated and shamed. What I see instead is people pushing for anti-intellectualism and valuing the "…

Part of the story here, too, is that relatively few Americans make up the populations of top graduate programs. An undergraduate degree or less might be sufficient to build a great advertising business, but it's unlikely to be enough to make major advancements in AI, quantum computing, semiconductors/photovoltaics, superconductors, etc.

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That doesn't matter so much because they can apply all the SOTA results just as well as the rest of us, and maybe better because they have fewer ethical concerns.

Maybe that's true, but that is not what he is saying: "In the race for publishing papers China has now caught up."

http://cvpr20.janruettinger.com/statistics => caught up is an understatement

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> in fact it's almost being denigrated and shamed. "Almost" really isn't necessary there anymore. There's a growing group that believes virtually all doctors, scientists, and professionals within certain fields are "in on it" and part of some big conspiracy to do some vague, undefined thing that'll take down America and corrupt their children. These used to just be a fringe group. Now it feels like about half the peo…

I mean, it is hard to reason with you on your opinion, since anybody who doesn't echo what you say would be just classified by you as a member of this group and his opinion automatically dismissed. And this wouldn't even make you doubt yourself, since "half the people you know are buying into that stuff" already and you seem to be pretty confident that it is them who are fools buying into some cheap nonsense, not you…

> I feel like there are some pretty good reasons to hold opinions you probably find so ridiculous that it isn't even worth your time to consider them

I am curious about these opinions. Care to share some?

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