Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest • Hacker News Board

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by soperj » Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 5:33 AM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #39

Melting_Harps wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> wondering if it got worse - if they did manage to build more nuclear plants like French did (75% from nuclear) instead of closing them all down, maybe Germany will be able to heat their homes without CO2 emissions in winter. They don't need to build anymore, they just import it. I lived 30km away from Alsace, and despite us having a significant amount of solar on all of our buildings, as did most of the local commu…

> I could literately see my breath while I laid in bed I laughed. In temperate New Zealand we have some truly crap housing and this is seen in many houses during our mild winters.

Once a scarfy, always a scarfy.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by muep » Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 5:37 AM UTC

porknubbins wrote: post #11

400km of bike trails is an insane amount for a small town, assuming they aren’t counting bike lanes. I doubt any of the 1M+ pop cities I’ve lived in came anywhere close to that in bike or MUTs.

Oulu, a 200k town in Finland, claims to have 600 km. It still could do with some more bike paths and improvements to the existing ones, but it is at a level where almost all places are reasonably easy to access by bicycle.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by woodpanel » Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 5:53 AM UTC

Apparently, owning a car is the easiest way to commit social suicide in Vauban — That is the spirit unfortunately.

Unfortunately, because once you allow to degrade strangers/neighbors in public for something malign like that, it doesn’t stop there.

Because of this Vauban is not always admired, rather sometimes regarded as tax payer funded dystopia for upper class people to live in.

E.g. your amount of thrash you can dispose per month is highly regulated, via communal key-card opened dumpsters. Once you’ve reached your threshold, the dumpsters stay closed. If you ever where to forget, say, your toddlers diapers you have two options:

Enjoy the smell for the remaining time period or brace for the walk of shame of asking your neighbors to forgive your sin, alleviate your family from the smell and selflessly take in your diapers. Rest assured that this selflessness will at least come with an inquiry of why you aren‘t using reusable diapers in the first place.

Alas, people who are annoyed by this leave, with the share of those who think such behavior is ok ever increases.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by ookdatnog » Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 5:59 AM UTC

gautamcgoel wrote: post #17

I lost interest in the city as soon as the article pointed out that the city's "environmentalism" was rooted in opposition to a nuclear power plant. This kind of thinking is backwards and self-destructive.

Or, to paraphrase, you let a protest that occurred 45 years ago interfere with you learning about urban planning.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by jamil7 » Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:22 AM UTC

Krasnol wrote: post #37

gautamcgoel wrote: post #17

I lost interest in the city as soon as the article pointed out that the city's "environmentalism" was rooted in opposition to a nuclear power plant. This kind of thinking is backwards and self-destructive.

It's quite hilarious to hear those phrases here every single time. No it's neither backwards, nor self-destructive and never was. Self-destructive behaviour is if you create waste you can't get rid of. Like in the case of Germany. Backwards thinking is when you hold onto an out of date technology democratic, western countries have dropped in favour of a new, cheaper and better technology [1]. And no, as a preemptive…

On every article in some way related to the environment vocal pro nuclear people on HN will appear. Germany is the lastest favourite example for spreading misinformation along with discrediting renewables with FUD.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by lixtra » Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:27 AM UTC

pvorb wrote: post #15

ajmadesc wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is unreasonable. We over weigh the risk based on the exposure an accident gets, not the death toll . History shows the highest kwh per human life of any energy source.

But there's more to it than the death toll. If something goes bad this would turn a large area into a wasteland, that will be uninhabitable for thousands of years. And how would you prevent future civilizations from opening nuclear waste deposits that should not be opened? I think it's just too complex and we should look for simpler alternives.

> large area into a wasteland, that will be uninhabitable for thousands of years

Did you see what happened to the Chernobyl area? What you get is not wastelands but a wonderful nature reserve (with a for wildlife insignificant increase in cancer rate) that no human dares to permanently invade. For the ones that love nature over humans (that have to resettle and suffer from the exposure) it’s not a bad outcome.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by mudita » Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:53 AM UTC

tannhaeuser wrote: post #2

Freiburg is a super nice place as long as you've got disposable income to spend to live in one of the preferred quarters, like Wiehre, Herdern, etc. If you don't, then like in many south-German cities (located in mountain valleys where space is scarce), you're living in a place without any green in sight (ok Freiburg's Stühlinger is quite green, and still affordable, though I'm guessing it's been getting more expensi…

I am writing this from my room in Wiehre right now, for which I pay 300 euro per month. Ok, it's a room in a flat I share with 3 flatmates, not everybody wants to live like this, but still, even Wiehre and Herdern are hardly quarters only for the super rich.

Additionally Freiburg is so small that you can be pretty much anywhere within 15 minutes by bike, it really does not matter so much which quarter you live in.

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by Fishysoup » Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:59 AM UTC

woodpanel wrote: post #43

Apparently, owning a car is the easiest way to commit social suicide in Vauban — That is the spirit unfortunately. Unfortunately, because once you allow to degrade strangers/neighbors in public for something malign like that, it doesn’t stop there. Because of this Vauban is not always admired, rather sometimes regarded as tax payer funded dystopia for upper class people to live in. E.g. your amount of thrash you can…

This has been my experience with Germany / Switzerland as well. Very punishment-based

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by mihaaly » Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 7:02 AM UTC

Krasnol wrote: post #36

Aperocky wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just the city, Germany made the decision to shut down ALL of the nuclear power plants when Fukushima happened. Now they found they're dependent on Russian gas.

I like how the hate train starts rolling with all the same phrases that lack even the basic facts. Germany had a plan to get out of nuclear energy already in 2002 When Angela Merkel came into power, she rolled a part of it back. Allowing for some of the plants to run longer. After Fukushima, this was rolled back again.

Which part of the two sentences was hateful and what is not factual in those?

Re: Freiburg: Germany's futuristic city set in a forest

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Post by smueller1234 » Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 7:05 AM UTC

rfreiberger wrote: post #30

tannhaeuser wrote: post #2

Freiburg is a super nice place as long as you've got disposable income to spend to live in one of the preferred quarters, like Wiehre, Herdern, etc. If you don't, then like in many south-German cities (located in mountain valleys where space is scarce), you're living in a place without any green in sight (ok Freiburg's Stühlinger is quite green, and still affordable, though I'm guessing it's been getting more expensi…

I really want to visit some day but doesn't sound like it's what I picture in my mind as a old German town.

Actually Freiburg has quarters with plenty of old town charm. And if that's not old town enough, you can always go to one of the smaller towns around, which should have plenty. It's an article that picks out and exaggerates one aspect of the city.