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Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Re: Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by redxdev »

JiNCMG wrote: post #259
redxdev wrote: post #194

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Christ, what is with people thinking Tencent is behind Epic? They don't have a majority stake in Epic - Tim Sweeney does. There's zero evidence that anything Epic has done and is doing is driven by Tencent. Maybe argue about what Epic is doing based on its own merits, rather than some baseless conspiracy about Tencent.

And Tencent approached Spotify and others investments to join in on court case.

Even if that's true (I haven't seen any reports about Tencent pushing their investments to join the case), it's almost as if it'd benefit a lot of companies to not have to deal with Apple's restrictions.

I'll ask again - do you actually have something to say about the merit of the case itself rather than just conspiracies about Tencent? Why is anything you mentioned bad? For argument's sake let's say Apple is in the wrong here and Epic is in the right. Why would Tencent also having a stake in the case change that?

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Post by djohnston »

sbuk wrote: post #104
cblconfederate wrote: post #81

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Apple profits from knowing their users' app/music/news/books/siri etc preferences and making purchase suggestions, don't they?

That's not quite the same as selling that information to political 'think tanks' to buy influence in an election.

Who sold user data to a third party?

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Post by alasdair_ »

withinboredom wrote: post #250
alasdair_ wrote: post #228

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Youtube has two offerings: an ad-free version of youtube, and a version that shows a whole bunch of live local (and national) tv channels. The latter is close to 5X the cost of the former and is, I suspect, what you are thinking of.

It’s almost €20 a month for “premium” and YouTube TV isn’t available in my locale.

Wow. I pay $12 USD. 20 Euro is too kuch.

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Post by a1369209993 »

dathinab wrote: post #252
a1369209993 wrote: post #197

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> this also excludes letting the user chose between either watching ads or paying for the content. Good. They should clairify that content not available by paying also counts as "monetary or other compensation" for watching ads. Advertising delenda est.

No not good, not everyone can or want afford paying for content. You should have the freedom to choose to pay by having ads. At least as long as it's a actually free and fair choice, i.e. the non ad payments are not overpriced.

In order to actually be a fair choice, overpriced means "greater than zero", so I suppose what you say is true, but I object to the characterization of something that you have to actively seek out for no reason other than to view it as advertising, because it dilutes the term.

Advertising delenda est.

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Post by saagarjha »

scarface74 wrote: post #242
saagarjha wrote: post #223

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Interestingly in China you can block all network access…

There is an option in settings on iOS to block all network access per app?

Yeah, on Chinese phones. I believe Wi-Fi is renamed “WLAN” but there is a setting to control what connections an app can make.

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andrewjl wrote: post #244

This is a terrific policy. I think irrespective of how good the App Store policies are, every user should be given the right to load non-App Store apps if they so choose. It's totally fine if it's buried 10-levels deep in settings. It's fine if they cannot do it easily by just clicking a random link due to security considerations. It's a good idea to make it hard to do by accident, and I expect if Apple wanted to the…

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Post by zimpenfish »

withinboredom wrote: post #250
alasdair_ wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube has two offerings: an ad-free version of youtube, and a version that shows a whole bunch of live local (and national) tv channels. The latter is close to 5X the cost of the former and is, I suspect, what you are thinking of.

It’s almost €20 a month for “premium” and YouTube TV isn’t available in my locale.

UK is £17.99/month (which is ~€19/month) for Premium (Netflix is £11.99/month for comparison) - YouTube TV not available.

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Post by unishark »

danShumway wrote: post #257
unishark wrote: post #212

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I read the requirement as not applying to free apps. You can either require people to give you info to monetize or you can charge a fee, but not both.

Maybe, but this computer cost money, so even if that is their requirement Apple is still violating the spirit of their own rules. I have to pay money for a piece of hardware and give a bunch of personal information to Apple, just to download a free app on the hardware that I paid for?

I do tend to agree with this idea. People constantly make such arguments talking about Android being free hence "you're the product". But people actually paid hundreds of dollars to get that Android phone, so it's not unreasonable at all to be irritated that your OS is trying to monetize you.

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Post by scarface74 »

saagarjha wrote: post #265
scarface74 wrote: post #242

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There is an option in settings on iOS to block all network access per app?

Yeah, on Chinese phones. I believe Wi-Fi is renamed “WLAN” but there is a setting to control what connections an app can make.

It is just a China thing. I learned something new today.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/aib10i/in_china_ios_al...

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Post by gamblor956 »

nodamage wrote: post #251
gamblor956 wrote: post #249

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As the case turned on the plaintiff's failure to establish a single brand market, I stand by my original comment.

It doesn't sound like you actually understand the relevant aspects of the case. Psystar made multiple counterclaims, including a claim of tying between "Mac OS" and "Mac OS-capable computers". A tying claim requires establishing the existence of two separate product markets, which is why the court analyzed both the "Mac OS" market and the "Mac OS-capable computers" market separately. Ultimately both markets were foun…

No it's clear that you have not read the case at all. The Pystar case is not an antitrust case, it's a copyright infringement case.

Antitrust cases are filed by the government, not other private parties.

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