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Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by sorenjan »

falcolas wrote: post #68
stonith wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Epic wants to sell digital gambling (loot) boxes to children Fortnite hasn't had loot boxes like this for about 18 months. The contents of the box are visible and change each day. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/01/fortnite-puts-an-end-...

Which is still gambling, just on the contents of the next box. It’s obfuscating the gambling, and it’s unfortunately working.

Either way, Apple takes 30% of the revenue. Apple isn't standing up to Epic's gambling, they''re profiting a lot from it and their only issue with Epic seems to be that they want to keep profiting from it. The Epic and Apple case started when Epic circumvented Apple for in app purchases and lowered their prices accordingly.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by Sebb767 »

robjan wrote: post #77
Sebb767 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Decentralized means it's inevitably more cumbersome to use. Which will lead to a lot of users being hosted on a single instance which provides convenient access, which completes the loop to centralized. See gmail. > And if you actually do succeed in this you'll inevitably end up with a platform where highly immoral content is just a wrong click away. I don't think that is necessarily a problem for most users. > It'…

How many people (outside of the HN circle) actually use Gmail for personal email now? It's mostly been killed by Facebook, WhatsApp or their alternatives.

And most of these alternatives still need an E-Mail to sign up, which loops back to gmail. Statista puts the number of its users at 1.5 billion in 2018[0]. There are some alternatives, yes, but if you ever tried to run your own mailserver you'll quickly find out that gmail users not receiving your mail is very much a problem.

[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/432390/active-gmail-user...

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by nemothekid »

syllable_studio wrote: post #19

I CAN'T WAIT for decentralized infrastructure to finally become robust enough that clones of instagram and facebook can all share a network -- they'll all become portals to the same social graph data. When that happens, there will no longer be any reason to put up with this abuse of privacy garbage.

>I CAN'T WAIT for decentralized infrastructure to finally become robust enough that clones of instagram and facebook can all share a network

What? We HAVE this TODAY. It's called the INTERNET. How would another internet solve the problems that thrived in this version.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by srtjstjsj »

Jedd wrote: post #17

Having just finished watching The Social Dilemma about fifteen minutes ago -- then hopping onto HN to satisfy the itch before bedtime (the irony is not lost) to read some commentary about Apple, Instagram, and Facebook. "There are millions of [small businesses] out there that rely on us to target customers and to reach those customers." (quote from Instagram CEO) I'm not an Instagram user / customer / product -- but…

There's nothing wrong with getting paid to help people. That's the whole moral justification for capitalism.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by scarface74 »

stonith wrote: post #50
orev wrote: post #35

Watch “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix, see how far off the rails the industry has gone, then come back and tell me that Apple is the bad guy here. Someone needs to start standing up for what’s right, and Apple is probably the only one with the size and cash reserves to be able to do it. For all the free market cheerleaders, remember this: we already have laws in place preventing or regulating businesses from engaging…

> Epic wants to sell digital gambling (loot) boxes to children Fortnite hasn't had loot boxes like this for about 18 months. The contents of the box are visible and change each day. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/01/fortnite-puts-an-end-...

And Epic has been found guilty since then of illegally convincing minors to spend money in Fortnite.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20191008/08591443147/epic-...

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by srtjstjsj »

HeckFeck wrote: post #57
ptest1 wrote: post #15

I might be one of the few, but I like the ads I see on Instagram and have purchased lots of things via IG ads. I can’t think of any other app/site where the ads have sucked me in. I realize this is besides the point, but I thought it was worth sharing in terms of how they might be doing personalization. For me, it’s so good that it actually works.

You may see it that way, but the overall effect of this on humanity is bad (see https://voxeu.org/article/advertising-major-source-human-dis... ). From my experience, I don't enjoy relentless targeted pressure to give up my money for goods I don't really need. I don't like wasting precious time consuming adverts, each braying for my attention in one way or another. I don't think it's ethical treatment of impulsive ty…

That's fine, but then you have no need for instagram at all, since it it 100% unnecessary, so the ads won't nother you either.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by jeromegv »

beaner wrote: post #52

> And give me a fucking break with bringing the pandemic into this. It’s especially infuriating coming from Facebook, of all companies. Maybe if they weren’t the main vector for the disinformation and anti-science nonsense that has prolonged the pandemic by turning it into a needless culture war, their “concern” would ring more true. If companies are responsible for the content posted on their platforms, wouldn't tha…

Nope

Companies like Facebook not only show you content, they use algos to show you more of certain content. They provide an editorial choice over what content you should see.

Sure Apple could ban Facebook, but I know you’re just making a stupid argument for sport, not that you actually believe that makes sense and that they should.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by srtjstjsj »

mola wrote: post #34
ptest1 wrote: post #15

I might be one of the few, but I like the ads I see on Instagram and have purchased lots of things via IG ads. I can’t think of any other app/site where the ads have sucked me in. I realize this is besides the point, but I thought it was worth sharing in terms of how they might be doing personalization. For me, it’s so good that it actually works.

Would you have bought these items otherwise? If the answer is no, then you were "sucked in". Google AdWords was great, you search for product X you definitely wanted to buy X, that's reasonable personalization. Now they want to know who you are, so they can optimize manipulatating you to want X even if you didn't before you saw their ad. There's a big difference between the two type of advertising, although they're b…

That's a completely false comparison. just because you want something doesn't mean (a) you need it or (b) the stuff being advertised suits your need.

When you want something, it just means someone else already advertised it to you.

Advertising is merely a tool. The value of products is what matters.

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Post by scarface74 »

floatboth wrote: post #81
CalChris wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Apple rejects Epic from its App Store for violating its TOC, is that being 'anti-competitive' ?

The anti-competitiveness is even before that: when Apple decided not to allow sideloading. Remember when Microsoft was sued for bundling IE with Windows? Now imagine if they blocked other browsers from existing on Windows back then.

And in the US, that lawsuit went nowhere and they never stopped bundling IE.

MS was sued for a number of things including forcing OEMs to pay a license fee for each PC sold whether or not it was shipped with Windows and not allowing third parties to ship alternative browsers.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by atty »

ComodoHacker wrote: post #76

Honest question: Does Facebook app on iOS need IDFA that much? A user is logged in and identified anyway, Facebook can deliver personalized ads. Facebook loses data about user activity outside Facebook, but is it so important? Isn't in-platform data not enough to personalize ads?

I might be wrong about this, but it’s my impression that Facebook tries really hard to track everything possible, not just what you’re doing on FB/IG/WA, using those silly like/share buttons people embed everywhere, and other technologies. Considering their vehement arguments against this change in iOS, I’d guess they think those off-platform streams of information are quite important. And I can see why - a user might not use Facebook for hobbies or interests, and tracking them around the web would give a much better view of someone. It’s quite sleazy.
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