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Re: Former NSA chief Keith Alexander has joined Amazon’s board of directors

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Post by srean » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 9:54 AM UTC

deathgrips wrote: post #456

srean wrote: post #449

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"Order" not sure, "recommendations" very conceivable. Anyway the issue is not NSA issue is the freedoms and protections offered by the country. If NSA doesnt but CIA does, its not any better. You started with the claim that unlike China an US citizen is unlikely to get his/her privacy encroached on quoting all sorts of processes. I just gave examples where these processes didnt do much in preventing breaches of such…

The examples you included do not show that Americans have their rights deprived without legal oversight. The exception is drone striking Americans who are overseas plotting imminent terrorist attacks.

That's an arbitrary opinion that you are holding on to. Being a target of warrantless search is not a sign of the land of the free.

If you disagree show me the proof of

> Americans who are overseas plotting imminent terrorist attacks

Show me the oversight over Anwar Awlaki's assasination that went ahead despite the fact that he had never been charged with (let alone convicted of) any crime. Proof of oversight, if you please over the killing of his 16 year old son.

I can play the same game that you have been playing in asking nothing less than irrefutable proof that will stand in a public court. Hope you believe in upholding the same standards over yourself that seek in others.

If you cannot, then how is it different from other places where such proofs are not forthcoming after killings or incarcerations ?

Re: Former NSA chief Keith Alexander has joined Amazon’s board of directors

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Post by koheripbal » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 9:01 PM UTC

newen wrote: post #357

koheripbal wrote: post #343

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I think your being overly paranoid. The effort required to covertly break into an AWS instance and not have anyone in the sysadmin teams know is simply not worth it for 99.9% of businesses. I run a simply mid-level business. Amazon doesn't give a crap about my data - that, above all, is what keeps it safe. I'm just not important enough to bother.

The whole point about mass data surveillance is that your data is not important enough to bother, until it is.

...unless it never is. ...which is usually the case.

Re: Former NSA chief Keith Alexander has joined Amazon’s board of directors

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Post by srean » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 10:42 PM UTC

deathgrips wrote: post #444

srean wrote: post #433

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So you agree that court orders are not that fancy a deterrent that you made it out to be. You said > If they wanted to intentionally examine your network traffic, that would require a court order. I just gave you an example when that did not matter. > Are you interested in talking about surveillance specifically or every talking point of the usual anti-American tirades? Whenever you are willing to have an honest disc…

They don't need a court order to sniff packets and do bulk collection. All that data goes into huge data centers. If they want to query that collected data for an American's information, they get a warrant. No human looks at an American's data before getting a warrant. You'd do well to familiarize yourself with their process, which is highly publicized.

> No human looks at an American's data before getting a warrant.

Prove it.

Re: Former NSA chief Keith Alexander has joined Amazon’s board of directors

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Post by srean » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 10:46 PM UTC

deathgrips wrote: post #443

phobosanomaly wrote: post #440

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US did more or less drone-strike this American and his 16 year-old son for criticizing the county on social media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki The difference between 'recruiter' and a guy who sent some emails to some people is unfortunately a distinction that is up to some dweeb with more top-secret security clearances than medals on a North Korean general. I assume it's the same thing in China, the…

No... >"According to U.S. government officials, as well as being a senior recruiter and motivator, he was centrally involved in planning terrorist operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda" We are better off with him dead. He was American, but his allegiance was to al Qaeda and he was planning to murder civilians.

> He was American, but his allegiance was to al Qaeda and he was planning to murder civilians.

"not enough evidence for me to believe it" said someone on HN with your handle.

Show us the evidence (a demand you seem to be fond of) and prove that in a public court, that's called due process. I will believe it then.

Re: Former NSA chief Keith Alexander has joined Amazon’s board of directors

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Post by vageli » Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 12:11 AM UTC

mahkeiro wrote: post #99

vageli wrote: post #42

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> Well, the majority still aren't buying. The initial assertion was "in every home", which is false in the majority of homes. Are we assuming that all the individuals who purchased the devices live completely alone? There are only 128 million households in the US. [0] [0]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/183635/number-of-househo...

You cannot imply this, the stats is about US adult, many adult may also have the same speaker in their household.

This is precisely the point I was trying to make.