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Re: Drone firm DJI promises 'local data mode' to fend off US government's mooted ban

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Post by chloerei »

liability wrote: post #87
throw556437 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a very clear reason, they don’t follow Chinese censorship and data laws. Both Google and Facebook once operated in China, but after the multiple terrorist attacks, they were unwilling (or unable) to comply with Chinese laws. That’s why Skype and iMessage are available in China, they comply with Chinese laws.

> but after the multiple terrorist attacks, 'Terrorist attacks' from who exactly? When French or Polish resistance members assassinated Germans, I bet the Nazis thought that was 'terrorism.' The Chinese government likes to cry and moans about 'terrorism' from Tibetans and Uyghurs, but the CCP are the real terrorists in these situations. Any American company that cooperates with them are abetting genocide.

Does your knowledge of Xinjiang and Tibet come from your own eyes, or from Western media propaganda?

Re: Drone firm DJI promises 'local data mode' to fend off US government's mooted ban

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Post by nightsd01 »

throw556437 wrote: post #84
lacker wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn’t the same at all. China routinely bans American internet companies for no apparent reason. Whereas the vast majority of Chinese companies are allowed to sell into the US. No other country operates like China does, with such drastic anti-foreign policies.

There’s a very clear reason, they don’t follow Chinese censorship and data laws. Both Google and Facebook once operated in China, but after the multiple terrorist attacks, they were unwilling (or unable) to comply with Chinese laws. That’s why Skype and iMessage are available in China, they comply with Chinese laws.

If you are naive enough to believe that the Chinese government sensors foreign internet companies so that they can protect their citizens from “terrorism”, I have a bridge to sell you.....

Let’s be real, the Chinese government only wants to allow internet companies that will allow them to monitor all communication and traffic between Chinese citizens so that they can stamp out any dissent. But dissent and disagreement is not terrorism. It’s both creepy and Orwellian.

Re: Drone firm DJI promises 'local data mode' to fend off US government's mooted ban

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Post by cblconfederate »

It's like we have a new Colonial Era, where tech from various powers wants to loot the data of people around the world. This time it is different though, because unlike gold, you can duplicate data for free. So, in the end if everyone has everyone's data, is that valuable at all?

Re: Drone firm DJI promises 'local data mode' to fend off US government's mooted ban

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Post by xster »

lacker wrote: post #70
coldtea wrote: post #44

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> Currently China wants all the perks of the open global market, while closing it's own. I don't understand how this is allowed. That's the same for the US. When it suits them there's sanctions, embargoes, tariffs, and questioning/forbiding foreign companies, investments, etc.

It isn’t the same at all. China routinely bans American internet companies for no apparent reason. Whereas the vast majority of Chinese companies are allowed to sell into the US. No other country operates like China does, with such drastic anti-foreign policies.

I think this is a bit of a meme that we keep telling ourselves.

https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_7362899f13ec8816e5dee88b26... According to Lee Kai-Fu who launched Google in China: "Chinese laws are clear about what foreign companies can do to operate in China. In TikTok's case, though, the company was left no choice but to consider a forced sale."

China doesn't routinely ban American internet companies for no apparent reason. The same laws laid in the clear are what the American competitors in China follow. Google proactively made the choice to exit China (it also somewhat didn't. Google ads has a sizable market share in China as does Facebook). This is not to say that I'm suggesting that they should have elected to follow Chinese laws. But it's not arbitrary.

This would be akin to saying the French are savages and routinely ban gun toting Americans from visiting so we should feel justified to ban any French from visiting. Sovereign governments have their own laws.

Re: Drone firm DJI promises 'local data mode' to fend off US government's mooted ban

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Post by SergeAx »

cblconfederate wrote: post #93

It's like we have a new Colonial Era, where tech from various powers wants to loot the data of people around the world. This time it is different though, because unlike gold, you can duplicate data for free. So, in the end if everyone has everyone's data, is that valuable at all?

When they say "data is a new oil", they also mean that it should be processed to maximize value.

Re: Drone firm DJI promises 'local data mode' to fend off US government's mooted ban

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Post by cblconfederate »

SergeAx wrote: post #95
cblconfederate wrote: post #93

It's like we have a new Colonial Era, where tech from various powers wants to loot the data of people around the world. This time it is different though, because unlike gold, you can duplicate data for free. So, in the end if everyone has everyone's data, is that valuable at all?

When they say "data is a new oil", they also mean that it should be processed to maximize value.

an non-scarce asset cannot have high value. I guess thats why there's this "data protectionism" trend, though it will probably fail

Re: Drone firm DJI promises 'local data mode' to fend off US government's mooted ban

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Post by StavrosK »

zaroth wrote: post #74
somehnguy wrote: post #54

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>Worth noting that the range of the remote is significantly less than claimed in the marketing materials, which is not really surprising because they claim 4km (!) and it dropped out on me at ~200 meters. This isn't really true. While radio links can of course perform poorly or unexpectedly at times, DJI's actually does deliver on their promises. It's quite incredible what they're doing with range of the control & vi…

I must have been holding it wrong. Seriously though, they must have a very high gain antenna to get 4km range at 2.4GHz with streaming video at unlicensed power levels, so there probably is a very specific antenna and controller orientation you are supposed to maintain to achieve that range.

I got it to go 2.5 km away on a very long beach, so it always had line-of-sight. It didn't lose control, so I imagine it could have gone farther (but probably wouldn't have enough battery to come back).

Re: Drone firm DJI promises 'local data mode' to fend off US government's mooted ban

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Post by powerapple »

euix wrote: post #82
philips wrote: post #17

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I completely agree. I feel that China just directly protects their markets while for whatever reason the US hides behind a defense justification.

That's just because the U.S. is better at propaganda then China. Probably due to cultural differences. In the west official term for this is "soft power". Propaganda is when China, Russia or other adversarial countries do it. There is a whole lexicon of alternative doublespeak if you pay attention.

Propaganda is a positive word in China, that shows how culturally different US and China are. That's why there is a Department of Propaganda in China.

Re: Drone firm DJI promises 'local data mode' to fend off US government's mooted ban

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Post by liability »

chloerei wrote: post #91
liability wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but after the multiple terrorist attacks, 'Terrorist attacks' from who exactly? When French or Polish resistance members assassinated Germans, I bet the Nazis thought that was 'terrorism.' The Chinese government likes to cry and moans about 'terrorism' from Tibetans and Uyghurs, but the CCP are the real terrorists in these situations. Any American company that cooperates with them are abetting genocide.

Does your knowledge of Xinjiang and Tibet come from your own eyes, or from Western media propaganda?

I gleefully criticize my government. Do you dare publicly criticize yours?

Re: Drone firm DJI promises 'local data mode' to fend off US government's mooted ban

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Post by libertine »

vkou wrote: post #33
libertine wrote: post #25

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You're mentioning the largest American Brands, which do not represent the bulk of businesses. In fact they have different channels to setup their businesses and lobby their way around. When I made that comment I was referring to SME, which is also the bulk of let's say, Chinese sellers on Amazon US. Try to do what Chinese people do on Amazon, but on a Chinese platform as a SME, to sell products in China.

Your SME will be about as successful at operating in a Chinese market, as a Croatian SME will be successful at operating in an American market. That is to say, you'd need a pretty exceptional product, that is significantly better then local alternatives to get anywhere, because you're not going to be able to compete on price, or on brand recognition. The reason Chinese SMEs are punching above their weight in foreign…

>Your SME will be about as successful at operating in a Chinese market, as a Croatian SME will be successful at operating in an American market

Well I guess that's depends on your definition of "successful", no?

Nothing stops a Croatian SME to enter the US market.

>That is to say, you'd need a pretty exceptional product, that is significantly better then local alternatives to get anywhere, because you're not going to be able to compete on price, or on brand recognition.

Even this is arguable because one of the biggest problems of Amazon US is the flood of low quality products, yet that doesn't stop them from being successful.

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