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Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by sizzle »

bmarquez wrote: post #114
sizzle wrote: post #107

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Wow this is why my next phone will be an iphone, so sick of apps in Android play store pestering me to rate their app after completing an action in the app or forcing me to turn on location services when I can easily enter a zip code instead.

> forcing me to turn on location services when I can easily enter a zip code instead This exists on iOS too. I recently downloaded a wardrobe app that refused to let me select clothes for hot or cold weather unless I turned on location services. Also some fast food apps (either Burger King, Popeye's or Taco Bell...can't remember which one) constantly whine about location services off and introduce extra friction to t…

Hopefully this changes with this new announcement

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Post by kinkrtyavimoodh »

ggrrhh_ta wrote: post #17
Nextgrid wrote: post #3

Full text of the clause: > 3.2.2 Unacceptable > (vi) Apps should allow a user to get what they’ve paid for without performing additional tasks, such as posting on social media, uploading contacts, checking in to the app a certain number of times, etc. Apps should not require users to rate the app, review the app, watch videos, download other apps, tap on advertisements, enable tracking, or take other similar actions…

Doesn't youtube, with its ads, violate this policy?

"Apps should allow a user to get what they’ve paid for."

YouTube does not show ads to YouTube Red (now called Premium) users.

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Post by jdofaz »

withinboredom wrote: post #120
gerash wrote: post #113

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You can, you know, pay for the service (be the customer and not the product) and not see any ads

I don’t know about where you live, it’s the most expensive streaming platform here. Not worth the money for occasional watching of things people share at work. Also seeing more unskippable ads lately and it’s incredibly annoying.

ditto, if it won't let me skip the ad I usually just close it now

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Post by kinkrtyavimoodh »

systemvoltage wrote: post #130
dayjobpork wrote: post #100

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You do realise Apple could still do this in their app store AND allow 3rd party app stores?

That's a terrifying idea. Horrifying. I absolutely detest this idea of third party app stores. Please tell me why this is a good idea when literally your entire life and its contents are contained in this palm sized device. Do you really want sideloading of apps that asks average joes for ransomware? We already have another sandbox - browsers. And you're seeing problems with extensions, popups, .dmg downloads and .ex…

Good, then feel free to not install a 3rd party app store. Your device will continue to be secure, or whatever you think it is right now.

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Post by kinkrtyavimoodh »

reaperducer wrote: post #97
renewiltord wrote: post #69

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Okay, but I don't want that as a user. If I accidentally say "Deny Location Permission" I want the app to say "I actually can't navigate for you without this, sorry. Want me to request the permission again?". I don't want to debug this shit - oh why is navigation not working? No thanks. Life's too short.

Life is too short for you to press Settings > Privacy > Location Services > app > enable? Are you on life support or something?

I won't know to do that if the app doesn't tell me. How do I know it's not a bug and a problem with the permissions instead? Especially if the problem does not occur immediately after denying the permission

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Post by dylan-m »

systemvoltage wrote: post #136
dylan-m wrote: post #132

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> We already have another sandbox - browsers. And you're seeing problems with extensions, popups, .dmg downloads and .exe virus scans, etc. So much so that browsers are constantly fighting against attacks for 20 years. They are, and, if you look around, they're winning: billions of people use Windows, MacOS and desktop Linux, safely, to do all manner of things. Billions of people use the web, which involves all kinds…

I actually want a phone with absolutely no app store. Just browser is fine. Given the amount of information it holds, adding any kind of apps that allow system wide access is horrifying to me. Since we don't have such phones, the next best thing is a store run by a company that can have security staff, highly paid security engineers and a whole bunch of people trying to make it secure than some reddit group that want…

App store reviewers are not the people you should be trusting to make your phone secure. They can and do make mistakes, because their job is to go through a checklist, look for things they don't like, and maybe run some analysis tools that other people wrote. (I'm guessing, of course: this process is completely invisible to the general public). The people who should be making your iPhone secure are the developers at Apple who are improving how apps are sandboxed, catching and fixing security vulnerabilities throughout the OS, sometimes even with open source code and published CVE entries.

If we have so little faith in those developers that we believe the last line of defence - the App Store reviewers - are the thing holding us back from disaster, then we definitely should not be using iPhones.

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Post by ooobit2 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #3

Full text of the clause: > 3.2.2 Unacceptable > (vi) Apps should allow a user to get what they’ve paid for without performing additional tasks, such as posting on social media, uploading contacts, checking in to the app a certain number of times, etc. Apps should not require users to rate the app, review the app, watch videos, download other apps, tap on advertisements, enable tracking, or take other similar actions…

Can it also not require Apple to get a 30% cut when we buy something from within an app, like... oh, IDK, a Fortnite skin? Because I think requiring us to tack on a 30% tax or for the devs to take a 30% loss on something Apple has nothing to do with is also unacceptable.

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Post by ooobit2 »

Ma8ee wrote: post #83
Consultant32452 wrote: post #68

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You've bought the privilege of being allowed to accept the EULA.

It reminds me of a US visa, which is far from free, and you pay for applying whether you is granted it or not. It allows you travel to a border control and ask to be let in. They can refuse you without explanation.

Oh, let's not with my country. We're also the only nation in the world that requires its abroad citizens to pay the same tax rates domestic citizens pay, and only offers a credit-basis for exempting income that you paid taxes on to the country you reside in.

It's the reason nearly all US citizens who move overseas eventually give up their citizenship. My great aunt left for Poland 30 years ago, and renounced her citizenship within 3 years because she was paying taxes on everything she earned twice, one under Polish law and again under US law.

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Post by [deleted] »

donarb wrote: post #39
DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #9

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I find that policy entirely acceptable, for the same reasons I think shrink-wrap EULAs should be illegal. This makes me curious about Apple and iOS / OS X. Does Apple try to require that the user accepts an EULA for the OS after buying Apple hardware?

All of Apple's EULAs are published on their website. You can download the PDFs and read through them before you decide to purchase software that Apple creates and sells. https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

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