HFT leeches can all DIAF.
The definition of DIAF is "Die In A Fire" btw
Radio Engineer Files Objection to WIPE
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#22This should be understood as high frequency stock traders fighting for turf. One shop tries to access broadcasting bands to enable higher powers, thus, more reliable transmission, by multiplexing the payload with general purpose economic news - allegedly. Another HFT shop is trying to preempt this. The race for speed in financial markets has reached a point where no existing fiber optic or satelite based system can c…
I guess my question is: as an amateur radio enthusiast, why should I tolerate a special exception for THESE people to broadcast data if I can't even do something as simple as coordinate club meeting addresses in private over the airwaves? Even if I saw HFT as a valuable thing (I don't), it's unfair to create a new exemption for these people just because they have money. And if you suggest that he government shouldn't…
> why should I tolerate a special exception for THESE people to broadcast data
The problem is it's not about you or me tolerating the special exception or not. It's about recourse, and we have none.
> a new exemption for these people just because they have money
The people with money can donate to all the politicians and make them aware of their needs, in exchange for the donations continuing. That's their recourse.
> This should not be understood as an infight by HFTs.
But that's exactly what it is. Multiple entities with money lobbying the same government for favorable results.
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#23I’ve listened to a few shortwave industry experts hammer out the issues with this. Despite the novelty of the technical application this is an end run around the Commission’s rules. As there are other operators carrying out such data transmissions licensed under the Experimental Radio Service the major question is what exactly has changed in the rules to suddenly make this permissible.
Re: Radio Engineer Files Objection to WIPE
#24This should be understood as high frequency stock traders fighting for turf. One shop tries to access broadcasting bands to enable higher powers, thus, more reliable transmission, by multiplexing the payload with general purpose economic news - allegedly. Another HFT shop is trying to preempt this. The race for speed in financial markets has reached a point where no existing fiber optic or satelite based system can c…
I guess my question is: as an amateur radio enthusiast, why should I tolerate a special exception for THESE people to broadcast data if I can't even do something as simple as coordinate club meeting addresses in private over the airwaves? Even if I saw HFT as a valuable thing (I don't), it's unfair to create a new exemption for these people just because they have money. And if you suggest that he government shouldn't…
As Glenn Hauser, Kim Andrew Elliott, and others have asked it comes down to the big question of what regs exactly authorize this. There really isn’t any ambiguity in the relevant rules to sneak this in under.
Re: Radio Engineer Files Objection to WIPE
#25This should be understood as high frequency stock traders fighting for turf. One shop tries to access broadcasting bands to enable higher powers, thus, more reliable transmission, by multiplexing the payload with general purpose economic news - allegedly. Another HFT shop is trying to preempt this. The race for speed in financial markets has reached a point where no existing fiber optic or satelite based system can c…
>bounce back on the ionosphere
>the shortest path
That's effectively the opposite of shortest path. If you really want the best performance you'd set up a line of microwave links.. I'm not sure how much latency the hops would add but if you have fast enough gear, it's probably not enough to justify going all the way up and back down.
Re: Radio Engineer Files Objection to WIPE
#26I’ve listened to a few shortwave industry experts hammer out the issues with this. Despite the novelty of the technical application this is an end run around the Commission’s rules. As there are other operators carrying out such data transmissions licensed under the Experimental Radio Service the major question is what exactly has changed in the rules to suddenly make this permissible.
Thank you smkellat. You get the point. I'm the author of the article linked in this post (and thank you HN for blowing us up today).
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess my question is: as an amateur radio enthusiast, why should I tolerate a special exception for THESE people to broadcast data if I can't even do something as simple as coordinate club meeting addresses in private over the airwaves? Even if I saw HFT as a valuable thing (I don't), it's unfair to create a new exemption for these people just because they have money. And if you suggest that he government shouldn't…
> why should I tolerate a special exception for THESE people to broadcast data The problem is it's not about you or me tolerating the special exception or not. It's about recourse, and we have none. > a new exemption for these people just because they have money The people with money can donate to all the politicians and make them aware of their needs, in exchange for the donations continuing. That's their recourse.…
Yes, the active parties in the fight are two HFTs jockeying for latency advantage, but the scope of the fight goes beyond HFT: they are fighting over use of a scarce public resource.
Re: Radio Engineer Files Objection to WIPE
#28HFT leeches can all DIAF.
When I am appointed Lord Emperor, I'm going to make capital gains taxes inversely proportional to the amount of time you held the asset. Oh, you just flipped $1M in 30ms? That's going to be painful come tax day.
Man, it'll be hard to be a grocery store, or any other intermediary, under that regime.
Such a rule would slaughter credit-card processors, too. Anyone who makes a market or facilitates a transaction would have a problem.
To expand a bit -- an antidote to HFT front-running is the limit order. If you can buy the thing you want at a price you believe is acceptable, HFT front-runners simply get paid for providing you liquidity. Don't like the price? Set your limit lower.
Re: Radio Engineer Files Objection to WIPE
#29This should be understood as high frequency stock traders fighting for turf. One shop tries to access broadcasting bands to enable higher powers, thus, more reliable transmission, by multiplexing the payload with general purpose economic news - allegedly. Another HFT shop is trying to preempt this. The race for speed in financial markets has reached a point where no existing fiber optic or satelite based system can c…
>bounce back on the ionosphere >the shortest path That's effectively the opposite of shortest path. If you really want the best performance you'd set up a line of microwave links.. I'm not sure how much latency the hops would add but if you have fast enough gear, it's probably not enough to justify going all the way up and back down.
You missed the word "intercontinental" in the parent poster's message.
Good luck setting up a microwave link between New York and London that will be faster than a short wave transmission.
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#30Confusingly, despite relating to encrypted messages, "DRM" in this context is "digital radio mondiale" which appears to be this: https://www.drm.org/technical-info/ Use of COFDM for digital radio in the current AM bands, part of the final AM phaseout?
To my knowledge, digital radio mondiale is only used on shortwave bands, and not on conventional ("broadcast") AM radio stations in the United States.
I haven't kept up on the SW scene in a decade or so, so I may be mistaken.