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Re: Ask HN: How are online communities established?

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I was very involved in the Center for Humane Tech community back when they first started and was a volunteer mod for a little while. CHT is still a thing but I believe the forum no longer exists. I saw the press release about the organization being formed and it was something I really cared about so I found the forum on their website where a lot of people were joining and very excited to actually get something done a…

Well, they just launched a very good documentary that might have an impact, so at least now they are doing something:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/movies/the-social-dilemma...

Re: Ask HN: How are online communities established?

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You should read the book People Powered by Jono Bacon. Has some really good insights and is a 101 course on exactly this.

Seconded. "People Powered: How Communities Can Supercharge Your Business, Brand, and Teams" (2019) https://g.co/kgs/CF5TEk

"The Art of Community: Building the New Age of Participation" (2012) https://g.co/kgs/P2V1kn

"Tribes: We need you to lead us" (2011) https://g.co/kgs/T8jaFS

The 1% 'rule' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture) :

> In Internet culture, the 1% rule is a rule of thumb pertaining to participation in an internet community, stating that only 1% of the users of a website add content, while the other 99% of the participants only lurk. Variants include the 1–9–90 rule (sometimes 90–9–1 principle or the 89:10:1 ratio),[1] which states that in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only consume content, 9% of the participants change or update content, and 1% of the participants add content.

... Relevant metrics:

- Marginal cost of service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_cost

- Customer acquisition cost: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer_acquisition_cost

- [Quantifiable and non-quantifiable] Customer Lifetime Value: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer_lifetime_value

Last words of the almost-cliche community organizer surrounded by dormant accounts: "Network effects will result in sufficient (grant) funding"

Business model examples that may be useful for building and supporting sustainable communities with clear Missions, Objectives, and Criteria for Success: https://gist.github.com/ndarville/4295324

Re: Ask HN: How are online communities established?

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post #22
post #17

I was very involved in the Center for Humane Tech community back when they first started and was a volunteer mod for a little while. CHT is still a thing but I believe the forum no longer exists. I saw the press release about the organization being formed and it was something I really cared about so I found the forum on their website where a lot of people were joining and very excited to actually get something done a…

Well, they just launched a very good documentary that might have an impact, so at least now they are doing something: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/movies/the-social-dilemma...

I definitely still believe in their work. But they wasted a whole lot of grassroots momentum at the beginning.

A film is cool, but 5,000+ people who are willing to go evangelize to their family, friends, and elected representatives is a whole different story as far as actually changing things.

Re: Ask HN: How are online communities established?

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Build a community goes beyond "rally people around something they are passionate about".

1 - Not all people who have same preferences or like the same things are willing to discuss or share ideas about that.

2 - I like to think people gathering around some topic is a secondary move, the primary thing that make people gather around is 'VALUES' and 'Principles'.

3 - We like to discuss ideas with people who we value, we like to talk about what we like with friends, not strangers, why? Because we know that we share values, principles and a cosmovision with our friends, family, etc.

So if you want to build a community, build around 'principle and values' and from this common ground you can set a main topic to be addressed by everyone.

Not always will be a single topic, but a niche, like the hacker news, our discussed niche is "hacking things", our values? Defy the status-quo, think out of the box, catch the black swan, see through the non-obvious, seek for excellence, etc.

It wouldn't be so successful try to discuss how to "hack things" with a bunch of douchebags ;D

Edit1: Also I saw people talking about the moderation drama but if you have done the principles, values, rules... you are going to have your own community policing who doesn't reach the cultural/behavioral fit.

Rules must be the very first thing to avoid a 'broken window' culture.

Re: Ask HN: How are online communities established?

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post #17

I was very involved in the Center for Humane Tech community back when they first started and was a volunteer mod for a little while. CHT is still a thing but I believe the forum no longer exists. I saw the press release about the organization being formed and it was something I really cared about so I found the forum on their website where a lot of people were joining and very excited to actually get something done a…

The issue here was that the founders of CHT promised "a cultural awakening" but then got flooded by both media and political attention. So much so they could not spend any time on community-building. A number of active forum members then tried to pick up the initiative. Most important imo was that both the scope was too large and the audience (everyone). And as you say many people were full of the problem, but less inclined to be part of the solution in any real sense, or were just there to find candidates for their own initiatives.

Re: Ask HN: How are online communities established?

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Here is a very good book that summarizes a lot of the scientific research about creating and fostering online communities.

Building Successful Online Communities: Evidence-Based Social Design

Here are the chapters:

  * Encouraging Contribution to Online Communities
  * Encouraging Commitment to Online Communities
  * Regulating Behavior in Online Communities
  * The Challenges of Dealing with Newcomers
  * Starting New Online Communities

Re: Ask HN: How are online communities established?

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Thoughts about maintaining quality of community:

1. Stream of new content

2. Preserving a (possibly revolving) core group of contributors (20% of the userbase generates 80% of the activity)

3. Quality control/moderation (we know what happened to Quora)

An online community has to be aspirational (as in participants want to be part of an exalted peer group, e.g. SV founders) or serve a need for knowledge somehow.

Re: Ask HN: How are online communities established?

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Usually they splinter off an existing online community or fanbase of a prominent writer/net-celebrity. Hacker News was initially populated by refugees from Reddit. Imgur also got started off Reddit. Reddit's initial userbase largely came from readers of comp.lang.lisp and Paul Graham's essays (PG funded it, and posted announcements there when it launched, 3 weeks after it started). StackOverflow largely came from the…

I thought I was here on the first day, but your HN join date is one day before mine. Time flies!

Re: Ask HN: How are online communities established?

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Build a community goes beyond "rally people around something they are passionate about". 1 - Not all people who have same preferences or like the same things are willing to discuss or share ideas about that. 2 - I like to think people gathering around some topic is a secondary move, the primary thing that make people gather around is 'VALUES' and 'Principles'. 3 - We like to discuss ideas with people who we value, we…

Interesting perspective. Do you think those “values” and “principles” should be explicitly stated somewhere, or should they emerge from the early users and the dialogue happening around a topic?
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