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AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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It was already a dire situation running a Mac with eGPU or a Hackintosh even before the RTX 30-series announcement, and much more dire after that. The likeliness of Apple allowing NVIDIA to produce Mac drivers again is close to zero. It’d be nice for AMD to be able to compete with GPUs again.

Apple Silicon will contain an Apple-designed GPU, so it might soon be irrelevant for Mac users what AMD has to offer.

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Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

TSMC slots are transferrable/sellable...

The fact Nvidia hasn't sold their slots to AMD for CPU production, yet AMD's GPU team has given up slots to their CPU team, tells you Nvidias GPU range is more profitable than AMD's one in this high-end market.

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What's their CUDA competitor this year? Are they pushing out client libs for Vulkan or are we sticking with trying to make ROCm work?

The industry at large is moving to SYCL, which can be implemented on top of OpenCL / CPUs / FPGAs.

Oh, the third option, with absolutely no library support. Or, looking at Khronos's page, even device support. At least OpenCL has the benefit of wide compatibility, even if its performance meant it was unsuitable.

Nvidia has settled on CUDA, and has maintained 13 years of compatibility. If SYCL is going to ever compete with CUDA, it's going to need to stick around long enough for people to build on it.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Chips are in the pipeline for many years, so products being released today are probably on the tail end of being impacted by AMD cutting GPU budgets to the bone to focus on Zen. I wouldn't expect miracles. Given AMD's market cap and financial success, I bet they're working on competitive designs now. There's no money in being an also ran in the space.

The information available around Big Navi (The GPUs expected to launch next month) put them at a +50% performance jump from the last generation and likely able to compete with the Nvidia flagship 3080: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-big_navi-rdna2-all-we-... I'd really urge anyone wanting to opine on these issues to watch the official analyst day videos and read through the releases AMD has put out so far in t…

It is important to note that it is 50% performance improvement per watt, not absolute performance.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

#25

Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

The last time I owned an AMD video card was more than a decade ago. At the time their video card drivers needed work and could blue screen your box. There was a lot of back and forth on the internet about which driver version to load to get the most stable experience.

Fast forward to 2020 and the perception about AMD's video driver quality seems to be in a similar place: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/radeon-big-navi-driver-issues-f.... This may just be confirmation bias since there are also articles refuting that AMD still has driver issues.

On the gripping hand AMD themselves apparently acknowledge they have issues and are trying to address them . https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-drivers-update-downloa...

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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It's not out of the question to save the best part of a presentation for last.

Sure - but waiting to announce (and hopefully release) for over a month after your competitor is SHIPPING is a sure way to lose sales. At the very least they need to leak potential pricing and performance in the mean time.

Is October 8th really a month after Nvidia is shipping?

I'm not sure how many units Nvidia is really going to move before then...

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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It was already a dire situation running a Mac with eGPU or a Hackintosh even before the RTX 30-series announcement, and much more dire after that. The likeliness of Apple allowing NVIDIA to produce Mac drivers again is close to zero. It’d be nice for AMD to be able to compete with GPUs again.

What do you even do with a GPU on a Mac these days? I guess there are a decent amount of games now, but it seems like it'd be mostly limited to "creative" stuff since CUDA is out of the question.

Imagine how much more dire it's going to get once Apple has ditched Intel. Are they going to continue using third-party, discrete GPUs? You definitely won't be able to use one off the shelf (at least without flashing the card's BIOS)

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The industry at large is moving to SYCL, which can be implemented on top of OpenCL / CPUs / FPGAs.

Oh, the third option, with absolutely no library support. Or, looking at Khronos's page, even device support. At least OpenCL has the benefit of wide compatibility, even if its performance meant it was unsuitable. Nvidia has settled on CUDA, and has maintained 13 years of compatibility. If SYCL is going to ever compete with CUDA, it's going to need to stick around long enough for people to build on it.

Well, Nvidia invented CUDA, it's no surprise that they won't give up their competitive advantage by properly supporting OpenCL or SYCL.

Edit: Also, SYCL should be supported by most things already supporting OpenCL, like Tensorflow for example.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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I'm pretty excited to see what they'll offer in the 10- to 16-core range for Zen 3 and if they'll hit the magical 5GHz mark.

Anyone else remember the promised 10GHz of the NetBurst? It's nice to see the industry slowly creeping up to that number.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

#30

Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

TSMC slots are transferrable/sellable... The fact Nvidia hasn't sold their slots to AMD for CPU production, yet AMD's GPU team has given up slots to their CPU team, tells you Nvidias GPU range is more profitable than AMD's one in this high-end market.

Doesn't that assume that the value of the slots is directly proportional to the price of the product you sell from those slots? That seems like quite a big assumption. For example, I would speculate that having a product shortfall (because you sold your manufacturing capacity) is going to significantly impact your market share and thus long term profitability.
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