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Re: Dozens of scientific journals have vanished from the internet

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Post by bnewbold »

guerby wrote: post #3

In France we have HAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Articles_en_Ligne "Hyper Articles en Ligne, generally shortened to HAL, is an open archive where authors can deposit scholarly documents from all academic fields." I work at a university and I know library people and management check carefully that every paper we produce is deposited in HAL. Also: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_articles_en_ligne "Depuis…

In Latin America, the SciELO network has been very successful at providing shared, low-cost, stable infrastructure for digital journal hosting using state funding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SciELO

Re: Dozens of scientific journals have vanished from the internet

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Post by marcosdumay »

random_visitor wrote: post #55
amirkdv wrote: post #53

I think there is a case to be made for a kind of "public utility" infrastructure for the distribution and storage of scholarly work given how 1. cheap it is, considering the size of the institutions that produce and benefit from them. 2. absurdly broken the private publishing industry has become.

That exactly what Library Genesis and Sci-Hub are. Assuming, you aren't expecting this public utility to be 100% lawful, since the other parties involved here (universities for instance) don't seem too keen on the idea of a having their work circulate openly.

> other parties involved here (universities for instance) don't seem too keen on the idea of a having their work circulate openly

Hum... What?

Universities at worst don't care. Most really want they work circulating and will do a lot of things to get it (many useless things that miss the point, but well, that's how people are).

Universities could push it harder. But they are surely pushing on the correct direction.

Re: Dozens of scientific journals have vanished from the internet

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Post by tasogare »

guerby wrote: post #3

In France we have HAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Articles_en_Ligne "Hyper Articles en Ligne, generally shortened to HAL, is an open archive where authors can deposit scholarly documents from all academic fields." I work at a university and I know library people and management check carefully that every paper we produce is deposited in HAL. Also: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_articles_en_ligne "Depuis…

> For recruiting some french institutions like CNRS will only consider papers deposited in HAL when doing the evaluation.

While I like HAL in general as a consumer, that policy is terrible if true for people like me who started their academic career abroad. One more reason not to go back, I guess.

Re: Dozens of scientific journals have vanished from the internet

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Post by waynecochran »

HenryKissinger wrote: post #56
elcritch wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention many of these OA journals were only created to scam researchers. They’d create a fake front and pretend they’re a prominent journal. Can’t recall them specifically but there were a few news clips about them a few years back.

Can people not try to make a scam out of everything??

Problem is that almost anything that can be exploited eventually will be.

Re: Dozens of scientific journals have vanished from the internet

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Post by ghaff »

jumelles wrote: post #59
ghaff wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, the mandatory deposit requirement likely worked pretty well with traditional book/magazine publishers and music labels. Outside of that, I expect a huge amount slipped through the cracks. There's no real enforcement AFAIK and I imagine most who are independently publishing or otherwise working outside of conventional channels don't deposit.

It's not mandatory and not even a requirement for copyright protection.

It's independent of copyright registration.

It is, as far as I can tell, mandatory in theory but not in practice. https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/mandatory_deposit.html#:~....

Re: Dozens of scientific journals have vanished from the internet

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Post by dddddaviddddd »

LunaSea wrote: post #33
guerby wrote: post #3

In France we have HAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Articles_en_Ligne "Hyper Articles en Ligne, generally shortened to HAL, is an open archive where authors can deposit scholarly documents from all academic fields." I work at a university and I know library people and management check carefully that every paper we produce is deposited in HAL. Also: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_articles_en_ligne "Depuis…

French people using unknown french standards only, news at 20h00.

Such as the metric system

Re: Dozens of scientific journals have vanished from the internet

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Post by Lammy »

marcosdumay wrote: post #72
random_visitor wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That exactly what Library Genesis and Sci-Hub are. Assuming, you aren't expecting this public utility to be 100% lawful, since the other parties involved here (universities for instance) don't seem too keen on the idea of a having their work circulate openly.

> other parties involved here (universities for instance) don't seem too keen on the idea of a having their work circulate openly Hum... What? Universities at worst don't care. Most really want they work circulating and will do a lot of things to get it (many useless things that miss the point, but well, that's how people are). Universities could push it harder. But they are surely pushing on the correct direction.

> Universities at worst don’t care.

I wonder how aaronsw would feel about this statement.

Re: Dozens of scientific journals have vanished from the internet

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Post by tgflynn »

tasogare wrote: post #73
guerby wrote: post #3

In France we have HAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Articles_en_Ligne "Hyper Articles en Ligne, generally shortened to HAL, is an open archive where authors can deposit scholarly documents from all academic fields." I work at a university and I know library people and management check carefully that every paper we produce is deposited in HAL. Also: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_articles_en_ligne "Depuis…

> For recruiting some french institutions like CNRS will only consider papers deposited in HAL when doing the evaluation. While I like HAL in general as a consumer, that policy is terrible if true for people like me who started their academic career abroad. One more reason not to go back, I guess.

I would be very surprised if there wasn't some exception for papers published abroad. Otherwise they would be potentially ignoring a lot of information about candidates.

Re: Dozens of scientific journals have vanished from the internet

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Post by [deleted] »

random_visitor wrote: post #55
amirkdv wrote: post #53

I think there is a case to be made for a kind of "public utility" infrastructure for the distribution and storage of scholarly work given how 1. cheap it is, considering the size of the institutions that produce and benefit from them. 2. absurdly broken the private publishing industry has become.

That exactly what Library Genesis and Sci-Hub are. Assuming, you aren't expecting this public utility to be 100% lawful, since the other parties involved here (universities for instance) don't seem too keen on the idea of a having their work circulate openly.

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Re: Dozens of scientific journals have vanished from the internet

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Post by PeterisP »

pintxo wrote: post #6

The predigital and national solution are laws requiring a a copy to be sent to the national library. What's the digital, and post-national solution?

We are not (yet?) living in a post-national world, but the simple digital solution is to require a digital copy to be sent to the national library, as some nations have done; since national libraries in any case are now all heavily working on digitizing their pre-digital assets and making them available online.
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