Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

Post by zamalek » Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 8:03 PM UTC

HelloMcFly wrote: post #124

mythz wrote: post #71

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Epic went this route to inflict maximum PR damage, they could've sued without willfully violating their contract which hurt their legal case as they've now entered into the lawsuit with unclean hands which was one of the considerations used to deny their injunction for Fortnite.

They needed to do it this way to ensure they had standing to bring a suit as they can now non-hypothetically prove they've been harmed.

Post by ribosometronome » Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 8:06 PM UTC

danShumway wrote: post #117

ribosometronome wrote: post #103

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The consequence isn't that your 3DS would have been better upon releasing, its that it wouldn't have released if the console market had been required to operate this way.

And again, I'm sympathetic to that argument. But then don't argue that the iPhone is exactly the same. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that Apple would stop producing the iPhone if sideloading was allowed. The smartphone market doesn't operate the same way as the console market.

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 8:09 PM UTC

hello_tyler wrote: post #122

aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

They broke the TOS on purpose and are now crying about that Apple actually held the line. I think Apple is way overpriced too, but when you go into their ecosystem and profit on it - you have to play by the rules. If you break the rules, you get removed. I would expect the same treatment on any app store.

Post by munificent » Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 8:16 PM UTC

IncRnd wrote: post #219

danesparza wrote: post #204

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I disagree. I think Epic Games and the affiliates didn't think through the ramifications for the actions taken by Epic Games. Epic Games is free to build their own phone and app store platform. There is nothing stopping them. Other than the risk that people don't want to buy into whatever they build. But Apple had the same risks. If this is truly a good faith negotiation (and not a stunt) on the part of Epic Games, t…

Epic isn't negotiating with Apple. They are suing Apple.

Post by maxsilver » Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 8:18 PM UTC

jmpman wrote: post #25

aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

Replace Apple’s iOS ecosystem with Microsoft’s Xbox, Sony’s PlayStation or Nintendo’s Switch. Either you destroy the console ecosystem by forcing them all to open up, or classify iOS as somehow different... or you leave them all to enforce their business agreements through mutually accepted legal term. If Epic doesn’t want a different agreement than Apple, they can negotiate alternative legal terms.