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Re: Show HN: Let's end the Programmer Salary Taboo

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Post by IgorPartola »

pstack wrote: post #17
donohoe wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without context, salary is meaningless. You should ask for title and years experience in the role. Without that a comparison is tough.

I work for a company with well over 100,000 employees, but if I gave my salary, title, and years experience (and as someone else noted, especially if I added my location), I wouldn't be anonymous. To my employer, at least. It would be trivial for them to narrow down the information to being provided by a very small number of people - if not the exact person. I don't see this flying, where I work though. Even among th…

Just one correction: your employer will also know exactly who you are by just your salary alone. Chances are not everyone is making the same amount and if you say you make 100,760,000 rubles, it's easy enough to just look it up. Your co-workers of course don't have this info.

I personally liked the other trick better: the one that gives you the average salary. Or maybe median is more appropriate. The point is that it'd give you an idea of whether you are making more or less than at least half your co-workers.

Re: Show HN: Let's end the Programmer Salary Taboo

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Post by IgorPartola »

rglullis wrote: post #2

After the discussion yesterday about how hard it is to know if your salary is comparable to your co-workers, and inspired by nostromo's "trick" ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2439443 ), I decided to implement a website where everyone can compare notes, without having to disclose personal info. It works by creating "salary pools". When you create a pool you get an unguessable URL (e.g, I created a pool at http:…

One small issue: https://salaryshare.me/ does not work. Considering who this is targeted at, I wouldn't want my office mates who are my co-workers to snoop on my POST to your site. Kind of defeats the purpose.

Re: Show HN: Let's end the Programmer Salary Taboo

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Post by dhimes »

zipdog wrote: post #27

Who defines the 'minimum number of people'? If it's not user-defined, I think you should make it clear what that value is. Otherwise, if I share this to my team of 7, but the minimum is 8, we'll never know. For smaller groups, you could add an option to show only the average, not the salaries. Then with as few as 3 people it would be reasonable to disclose the value.

Perhaps he should let the user starting the pool set the minimum for that group (but let everybody signing in to that group know the minimum).

Re: Show HN: Let's end the Programmer Salary Taboo

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Post by mdwrigh2 »

zipdog wrote: post #27

Who defines the 'minimum number of people'? If it's not user-defined, I think you should make it clear what that value is. Otherwise, if I share this to my team of 7, but the minimum is 8, we'll never know. For smaller groups, you could add an option to show only the average, not the salaries. Then with as few as 3 people it would be reasonable to disclose the value.

The minimum is 4 people I believe.

Re: Show HN: Let's end the Programmer Salary Taboo

#45

Post by arctangent »

timrobinson wrote: post #36
arctangent wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is probably a good idea to keep the original value and the currency rather than converting them to dollars just the one time. This will allow you to recompute dollar figures based on currency exchange fluctuations.

I'm not convinced it's useful to convert the currencies anyway. I can't get paid in US dollars for this job. If I wanted to get paid in USD, I'd be getting a different job. Or are there any cases where a single job market spans two or more currencies?

Some larger companies have offices in more than one country. Examples would be Google, Microsoft, Facebook, most banks, etc.

Perhaps it would be useful to be able to view the results in any currency you desired. But already we're entering scope-creep territory :-)

Re: Show HN: Let's end the Programmer Salary Taboo

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Post by msluyter »

timrobinson wrote: post #37
markdennehy wrote: post #33

How's this different from Glassdoor.com?

Glassdoor.com's free trial is limited. Click through a few pages, and you start getting this: > This salary is available to members

Incidentally, if you really want you can get around this by opening a new incognito window in chrome. Sort of a pain and perhaps not worth the effort, however.

Re: Show HN: Let's end the Programmer Salary Taboo

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Post by whyleyc »

IgorPartola wrote: post #42
rglullis wrote: post #2

After the discussion yesterday about how hard it is to know if your salary is comparable to your co-workers, and inspired by nostromo's "trick" ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2439443 ), I decided to implement a website where everyone can compare notes, without having to disclose personal info. It works by creating "salary pools". When you create a pool you get an unguessable URL (e.g, I created a pool at http:…

One small issue: https://salaryshare.me/ does not work. Considering who this is targeted at, I wouldn't want my office mates who are my co-workers to snoop on my POST to your site. Kind of defeats the purpose.

So submit your entry from home then.

Re: Show HN: Let's end the Programmer Salary Taboo

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Post by scotty79 »

rglullis wrote: post #2

After the discussion yesterday about how hard it is to know if your salary is comparable to your co-workers, and inspired by nostromo's "trick" ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2439443 ), I decided to implement a website where everyone can compare notes, without having to disclose personal info. It works by creating "salary pools". When you create a pool you get an unguessable URL (e.g, I created a pool at http:…

Wouldn't kill to show nice histogram of the pool.

Re: Show HN: Let's end the Programmer Salary Taboo

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Post by timrobinson »

arctangent wrote: post #45
timrobinson wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not convinced it's useful to convert the currencies anyway. I can't get paid in US dollars for this job. If I wanted to get paid in USD, I'd be getting a different job. Or are there any cases where a single job market spans two or more currencies?

Some larger companies have offices in more than one country. Examples would be Google, Microsoft, Facebook, most banks, etc. Perhaps it would be useful to be able to view the results in any currency you desired. But already we're entering scope-creep territory :-)

Right - if you cared enough about looking at anonymous salary information across different countries, you could just use Glassdoor.com.
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