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Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by mythz »

cavanasm wrote: post #57
pjmlp wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, Epic broke the contract that they signed with Apple, in an attempt to create a marketing campaign for their own store, which outside HN I bet most users don't give a dam. Like any breach of contract, it should be dealt appropriately.

Believe it or not, you can put illegal things in contracts, and lawsuits are there to work that situation out, which is why Epic has gone this route.

Epic went this route to inflict maximum PR damage, they could've sued without willfully violating their contract which hurt their legal case as they've now entered into the lawsuit with unclean hands which was one of the considerations used to deny their injunction for Fortnite.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by gamblor956 »

RL_Quine wrote: post #51
modeless wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They could revert their app right now and Apple would restore their account You have no way of knowing this and frankly I doubt it. And I'm not sure that it wouldn't weaken their legal position.

Apple literally told them that in court. Remove the crap, and you go back on the store.

Apple said: submit to our antitrust violation and we'll stop abusing our market position and let you back in.

Among other things, Apple does not allow developers to mention competing products or that discounts are available for purchasing outside of the Apple store.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by Jyaif »

aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

10 billion is what, 5 months of their net profit on the app store?

Even if they do get fined this amount, it would have been worth it for them to abuse their position with the developers.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by tehwebguy »

aboringusername wrote: post #10
RL_Quine wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intentionally breaking the rules and filing a lawsuit against them with a marketing campaign isn't as if apple just decided they "didn't like" Epic.

No company should be immune to valid criticism. Microsoft was forced to add a browser pop-up on their OS, because it was considered they were abusing their market position. Of course, retaliation is expected, but Apple has been so inconsistent in their application of the rules that every decision they've ever made is going to be called into question. And you can be sure if there is even a hint at favouritism or revel…

What exactly, and please be specific, do you think Apple is doing that is wrong? It is not clear from your comments.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by d1zzy »

Nextgrid wrote: post #50
jmpman wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Replace Apple’s iOS ecosystem with Microsoft’s Xbox, Sony’s PlayStation or Nintendo’s Switch. Either you destroy the console ecosystem by forcing them all to open up, or classify iOS as somehow different... or you leave them all to enforce their business agreements through mutually accepted legal term. If Epic doesn’t want a different agreement than Apple, they can negotiate alternative legal terms.

I am not saying I agree with the restrictions imposed by the console manufacturers but that case is different. A console is designed for a specific task (playing games and similar software), the market is somewhat competitive and you are free to buy a PC/Mac/Linux and get 99% of the functionality (minus a few exclusive titles). In fact consoles nowadays are just PCs running a custom build of a general-purpose OS. The…

You don't need to root an Android device to load applications from outside the Play store. The security warning is pretty accurate and useful for most people but if you want to load apps from outside the store then you aren't most people so it shouldn't matter.

There's a reason alternatives to iOS and Android haven't picked up, some of those reasons are because for those that care to side load apps they can already do it on Android (or can go further and replace their OS) so not much incentive for a third mobile OS. If there was a strong enough need for an alternative then that would exist already.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by londons_explore »

aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

> And the EU will levy the world's biggest fine at Apple,

Not soon... Apple is loved by a good majority of EU citizens, and while that's the case, the EU won't fine them. Fines are for 'evil corporations' as deemed by a voter...

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by supernovae »

jmpman wrote: post #25
aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

Replace Apple’s iOS ecosystem with Microsoft’s Xbox, Sony’s PlayStation or Nintendo’s Switch. Either you destroy the console ecosystem by forcing them all to open up, or classify iOS as somehow different... or you leave them all to enforce their business agreements through mutually accepted legal term. If Epic doesn’t want a different agreement than Apple, they can negotiate alternative legal terms.

Microsoft has allowed sideloading and community developed games and apps on Xbox for a while now.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by gamblor956 »

joshstrange wrote: post #14

It's always interesting to read the comments on articles about the Epic Games situation. We can have discussions about Apple's cut or how Apple operates their store but this is such a clear cut case that I'm honestly surprised so many HN readers are siding with Epic (or maybe it's just the anti-Apple crowd looking for any reason to crap on Apple). Epic tried to get Apple to allow a whole new store on their platform A…

It had to be a big guy.

A little guy would not have the resources to fight off the most valuable corporation in the world. Apple could spend hundreds of millions in legal fees and it would be a rounding error on their financials. Apple could literally hire every lawyer in the US and the EU, pay them their normal rates, and treat the entire expense as an immaterial item on their annual financials.

There are few companies in the world with the resources to fight Apple, and fewer still with the willingness (or reason) to do so.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by bogwog »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #16
aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

> Certainly, for public opinion, it means you now have to "tow the line", no protesting allowed. If you dare challenge us, we WILL REMOVE YOU. Isn't that how all private companies work? If you walk into a mom-and-pop corner shop with no "shoes or shirt" you'll be removed as well—whether or not you think it's some kind of righteous protest.

Getting kicked out of a mom and pop shop isn’t going to end my business. Apple has the power to create a visible spike in the world’s unemployment graphs whenever they want. When a company gets that big, it needs to be heavily regulated and scrutinized.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by save_ferris »

jmpman wrote: post #25
aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

Replace Apple’s iOS ecosystem with Microsoft’s Xbox, Sony’s PlayStation or Nintendo’s Switch. Either you destroy the console ecosystem by forcing them all to open up, or classify iOS as somehow different... or you leave them all to enforce their business agreements through mutually accepted legal term. If Epic doesn’t want a different agreement than Apple, they can negotiate alternative legal terms.

> Either you destroy the console ecosystem by forcing them all to open up

How is this true? Consoles predate app stores by many decades.

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