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The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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Hi Eric, presumably the companies will trade on a limit order book, like other exchanges. This mechanism of price formation allows rapid price movements up or down. What’s to stop the speculators or retail investor hordes from piling into a stock and driving its price up or down? Are there holding period rules?

No, we do not restrict liquidity in any way. We simply believe that companies should be able to engage with "speculators" as you call them differently from long-term investors. Ultimately volatility isn't a problem in itself - it's the effect it has on corporate decision-making that matters.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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Echoing what somebody else said, "open for business" feels a bit disingenuous from a retail investor perspective as there is no place to trade stocks, no sign up, no stocks listed etc. A more restricted announcement (read directly to companies) would probably have been a better idea to gain that critical mass. For reference, whenever Uber/Lyft "open for business" in a new city, they don't just flip the switch to enab…

I don't understand this criticism. We are actively trading stocks today: https://markets.cboe.com/us/equities/market_share/ You can call your broker right now and ask them to direct your orders to a specific exchange, including "L" on the SIP.

So you can buy stocks through the LTSE that aren't listed on the LTSE? If so, why would someone do that?

I think GP's point is that you're saying "we're open for business", but the LTSE isn't offering people who buy stocks any added value yet.

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Congratulations. "We shape our buildings; thereafter they shape us." -- Winston Churchill Though I barely understand such things, I'm very excited by your LTSE and Katsuyama's Investors Exchange (IEX). Listening to your interviews about LTSE, my takeaway is that your goal is to allow companies to be judged on their own merits, instead of someone else's. So one side effect may be to help migrate private equity funded…

> I hope others see that our markets are designed. They are human artifacts. They are not natural laws to be accepted as-is. “Markets” are not the same thing as “the market”. Markets are human artifacts; the market is an emergent behavior. It’s governed by laws beyond our control as surely as the behavior of materials are governed by thermodynamics. If the behavior of your markets fails to match the reality of the ma…

> It’s governed by laws beyond our control as surely as the behavior of materials are governed by thermodynamics.

It's funny you make this comparison. Because so many of these supposed laws about "the market" violate an effective equivalent to the second law of thermodynamics for information systems: P=/=NP. The claims often made about the transcendent nature of the laws governing "the market" violate the computational properties of reality as we understand it [1]. If "the market" behaved as so many claim then we would have proof of P=NP.

Evolution is also an emergent behavior, of biochemical systems. But we also understand how it functions as an algorithm. So much so we now use it to aid in the design the wing shapes of our planes, the design of new high efficiency radios, and to find new algorithms.

The entire universe is governed by laws beyond our control. That doesn't prevent us from understanding them and bending them to our will. As we have done with ropes and levers, atoms and proteins, so too can we understand and engineer markets.

As it happens markets are likely in a similar class of algorithm as evolution: efficient approximations of NP problems. This is why people use markets as the basis of things like prediction markets, scheduling algorithms, and bin packing.

"The market" is a claim to the "god is in the gaps" no different than intelligent design is. It even does the whole song and dance of elevating an approximation algorithm to some unknowable divine will. An approximation algorithm we already understand and use in engineering everyday.

[1] Make no mistake, bits of information are physically connected to reality, a non-trivial NP algorithm running on human timescales would boil the oceans. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer%27s_principle

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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>Clearly there are long-term investors and companies in today’s markets. That's not really an answer to the question - so how do you define long-term, and how do you take reports? Are they still quarterly reports? Or are the reports longer-term? How do companies prove they're long-term to interact with your platform? You haven't really talked about the concrete definitions or parameters around 'long-term' in this thr…

Quarterly reporting is an SEC requirement, so we don't affect that. We do require certain additional reports be filed on an annual basis. Companies prove their long term by adopting policies responsible to our long-term principles. The way this works is spelled out in a lot of detail both on our website and in our regulatory filings. Here's more of a layman's overview: https://longtermstockexchange.com/static/princip…

Thank you. Have you discussed possible perverse outcomes to (D) and (E)? If so, what negative outcomes have you been able to foresee?

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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Do I have to "call up" a broker to do this trade? I've only ever used online brokerages. Am I just supposed to call Etrade's 1-800 number or something? EDIT: Wait a minute. No individual stocks are listed yet on LTSE https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24421925 so what am I supposed to ask them to do? When I want to buy a share, the first thing the brokerage asks me is the stock's symbol. Without any listings, what…

Every broker has its own internal rules about where to direct its order flow. Some "internalize" the trade and don't send it anywhere. Others get paid to direct the order to a specific market maker, exchange, or dark pool (called PFOF). Others allow their clients to direct orders using a specific trading strategy. If you have a family office it's very likely this is part of the strategy. However, ordinary retail inve…

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> adopt corporate governance that aligns their behavior and incentives to the long term. What does this mean? What quantitive measures are you using to qualify long term incentives and behaviours? No offence but you don't seem to have an answer to this question. For example is RDSA long term? They have been around for ever and people will need cars and oils for the forseable future at least 10 years is this long term…

Leaving aside some of your odd claims, I’m happy to answer the question. Our definitions and standards are laid out in excruciating detail in our hundreds of pages of legal filings. Here’s a good place to start if you are interested: https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/ltse/2019/34-86327.pdf Also this may be of some interest: https://longtermstockexchange.com/static/principals_for_lt_s...

You don’t have any key ideas that you can express without linking to “hundreds of pages of legal filings”? His claims are not odd at all, you really haven’t put any effort into distilling the incentive design.

It’s not impossible to express complex incentive design or push readers in the right direction to understand this. What is the essence of what is quantitatively or contractually different about LTSE?

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I’m not quite sure how to answer your question. Clearly there are long-term investors and companies in today’s markets. I think there would be more of them if they had a platform conducive to their philosophy.

>Clearly there are long-term investors and companies in today’s markets. That's not really an answer to the question - so how do you define long-term, and how do you take reports? Are they still quarterly reports? Or are the reports longer-term? How do companies prove they're long-term to interact with your platform? You haven't really talked about the concrete definitions or parameters around 'long-term' in this thr…

In the SEC filing they say that companies will be required to issue long term policy documents and that their progress should be measured in Years or Decades and with long term compensation plans. The compensation piece seems like the most concrete requirement given that most companies will say they have long term plans. But those companies also reward executives based on stock price and earnings in a quarterly/yearly intervals, not decades.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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"They described the immense pressure on companies to pursue short-term results over creating value for future decades and generations." Where does this pressure come from? The board? Can't you appoint a board that is long-term friendly? Institutional investors? Wouldn't the same investors interested in the LTSE also be interested in you on the traditional market if long-term is part of your DNA? Shareholders? Shareho…

The pressure comes from investors. (The board is elected by shareholders, so in theory they represent the wishes of investors). It's extremely difficult/rare to find investors who will just sit back and trust the CEO run the company as they see fit, particularly in a world where "unicorns" are going from zero to $billions in a few years. It happens occasionally, but only in the case of extreme outlier companies where…

I don't know why people continuously repeat this narrative. Two of the largest companies in the world, and in the history of humankind, are constantly marched higher by this "shortsighted" investor base: AMZN and TSLA.

People say companies pursue short-term gains but in reality they just mean they pursue things they disagree with. And herein lies the dirty secret: professional investors aren't short-sighted, they just don't value the things you do because (shocker) the average Joe doesn't really understand how to create shareholder value.

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