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Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by RL_Quine »

modeless wrote: post #19
RL_Quine wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intentionally breaking the rules and filing a lawsuit against them with a marketing campaign isn't as if apple just decided they "didn't like" Epic.

Epic alleges that Apple is breaking the law, and breaking the App Store rules was a pretty much required step to establish standing to sue. Is Apple above the legal system, such that they should be able to destroy businesses that dare to challenge them in court, regardless of the merits of their claims and before they are even heard?

Where does the marketing campaign fit into your story?

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by staticman2 »

RL_Quine wrote: post #4
sandstrom wrote: post #2

Alright, so Apple are forcing all developers to add Sign-in with Apple (if they have other third-party login services), privacy benefits aside. But if you Apple decide that they don't like you anymore, they'll not only cut you off the App Store, they'll also bury all (or a subset of) your users. Apple is starting to act more and more like a bully. [1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sig...

Intentionally breaking the rules and filing a lawsuit against them with a marketing campaign isn't as if apple just decided they "didn't like" Epic.

Epic's legal position as I understand it is that Apple is behaving illegally and they likely had to break the illegal rule for standing to sue.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by cletus »

So this showdown between Epic and Apple is really interesting. My thoughts:

1. Epic had to know Apple would go nuclear. If they didn't, they're completely incompetent. Let's assume that's not the case. So Epic was itching for a fight. Maybe they were delusional about Fortnite's power here?

2. Apple is going nuclear here. The message is that Apple wants to crush this. This is Apple making an example of Epic. It looks like Apple is prepared for this fight and doesn't want it to gain traction;

3. Personally I think for the vast majority of developers the Apple payment ecosystem makes sense. It's just for the likes of Epic, Amazon or Netflix it doesn't as they're large enough to have their own so 30% is a huge fee for those companies and ultimately untenable;

4. Apple's monopoly will end at some point. I have to believe that even Apple knows that. So it's just a question of time and Apple doesn't want it to be now;

5. I don't think the solution is for anyone to be able to have payment infrastructure. That kind of Wild West is no good for anyone. It's just a question of what the compromise looks like;

I really do see this as the dying days of the Apple and Google app ecosystems.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by dazhbog »

zxcb1 wrote: post #5

Just installed Linux on my Mac; it felt like freedom.

Had alot of issues with power when i last tried Linux on a mac air.. Something with alot of interrupts firing and the linux kernel was using more power as a result. Thinking of wiping macos and putting windows pro only and using wsl or something.

If anyone runs linux/win on mac hardware smoothly I want to know more details.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by jmpman »

aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

Replace Apple’s iOS ecosystem with Microsoft’s Xbox, Sony’s PlayStation or Nintendo’s Switch. Either you destroy the console ecosystem by forcing them all to open up, or classify iOS as somehow different... or you leave them all to enforce their business agreements through mutually accepted legal term. If Epic doesn’t want a different agreement than Apple, they can negotiate alternative legal terms.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by bmarquez »

joshstrange wrote: post #14

It's always interesting to read the comments on articles about the Epic Games situation. We can have discussions about Apple's cut or how Apple operates their store but this is such a clear cut case that I'm honestly surprised so many HN readers are siding with Epic (or maybe it's just the anti-Apple crowd looking for any reason to crap on Apple). Epic tried to get Apple to allow a whole new store on their platform A…

> Epic isn't fighting for the little guy

Nobody is fighting for the little guy, but this is still advantageous for the consumer. Apple is even fighting with Facebook, since you are forbidden to disclose the 30% cut with consumers.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by dragonwriter »

joshstrange wrote: post #14

It's always interesting to read the comments on articles about the Epic Games situation. We can have discussions about Apple's cut or how Apple operates their store but this is such a clear cut case that I'm honestly surprised so many HN readers are siding with Epic (or maybe it's just the anti-Apple crowd looking for any reason to crap on Apple). Epic tried to get Apple to allow a whole new store on their platform A…

> Epic isn't fighting for the little guy, they wanted their own store where they would take their own percentage of sales.

Competing stores on a platform means that store vendors have to compete on price and/or service since they can't rely on exclusive access to the platform to force anyone who wants to reach the platform into their store. So, fighting for their own store on the platform (especially since succeeding forces the platform open to other stores, as well) is fighting for the little guy. It may not be the goal, but it's the ultimate effect.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by paulryanrogers »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #16
aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

> Certainly, for public opinion, it means you now have to "tow the line", no protesting allowed. If you dare challenge us, we WILL REMOVE YOU. Isn't that how all private companies work? If you walk into a mom-and-pop corner shop with no "shoes or shirt" you'll be removed as well—whether or not you think it's some kind of righteous protest.

Those kinds of rules are for pubic health reasons. If you serve the public then you can't discriminate against protected classes. Though it may be legal to refuse service for other arbitrary reasons.

When I worked in retail and scouted prices at the completion they would ask me to leave the store.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by GiorgioG »

As an iPhone X owner/user I'm less and less inclined to go with Apple for my next phone. Apple & Google have a duopoly on mobile phone OSes. It's been how many years that they've been taking a 30% cut? You mean they haven't optimized/streamlined the App Store processes in what 10 years?

At least Google is not the only Android handset game in town and you can still sideload apps.

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