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Ask HN: Does anyone else notice increased incompetence?

#1
I'm not talking about lower level jobs, but in important areas. I'm noticing incompetence and complacency from people in positions which could very negatively impact lives. I'm seeing it more now than ever before.

For example, I've been trying to get medical records for 3 weeks and the office keeps: faxing the wrong number, faxing the wrong release forms, giving us incorrect status info, etc.

Another example is a legal matter I'm now involved with. The officer wrote the citation for the wrong statute (more serious), gave us incorrect information in how to request records, misspelled a name on the citation, and put the wrong time (by hours) on the citation. The court also gave us incorrect information on requesting records, gave us the wrong kind of subpeona and won't correct it, and the staff doesn't even know what an affidavit is.

We saw several doctors during an SVT event 48 hours after multiple simultaneous immunizations. They all said unequivocally that the events were unrelated, but could not produce data to support their opinion nor refute the thousands of arrhythmia events in VAERS data. (There's no data to concretely prove or disprove, so it's unknown). So now I have to submit ther VAERS report. Doctors like this will lead to under reporting, impacting studies on safety.

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#2
I've had a cop try to boost charges from non-injury careless driving to injury careless driving. The ticket had a check-box for "injury" on it. The cop underlined it instead of checking the box when the other driver was unharmed. If confronted she would just say she meant to strike through. If I did nothing and pleaded no-contest I would be getting myself into a massive injury lawsuit. Sometimes incompetence is not incompetence.

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post #2

I've had a cop try to boost charges from non-injury careless driving to injury careless driving. The ticket had a check-box for "injury" on it. The cop underlined it instead of checking the box when the other driver was unharmed. If confronted she would just say she meant to strike through. If I did nothing and pleaded no-contest I would be getting myself into a massive injury lawsuit. Sometimes incompetence is not i…

True, and it can be hard to tell sometimes. Sometimes they'll upgrade the charge or write a false charge because many people just plead guilty so they can pay the fine and get on with their lives. I'm glad you paid attention.

My wife once picked up an old traffic cone that had been abandoned in a ditch for more than 30 days. An officer wrote her a citation and she just plead guilty and mailed the fine in. She didn't realize it was for a misdemeanor when the officer was supposed to write it for a summary offense. She kept getting denied when applying for jobs and found out that was the reason. She had to get a lawyer to get it correct - at her expense. (This was long before we met)

A local police department was spreading similar misinformation on Facebook about something being a misdemeanor when it should have been a summary offense. I ended up having to get the DA involved to set them straight so they wouldn't ruin someone else's life.

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#4
I think it is due to the change in the nature of employment while human beings have remained the same. In the modern world, to live a semblance of a normal lifestyle, you have to commit to a job or labour that requires putting in thought and effort. 100 years ago, the white collar jobs only went to those who chose education and hard work and worked towards it because it was an objectively better lifestlye than what most people were doing. People were motivated to change their circumstances because the difference between a bad job and good job on the lifestyle was massive. So people were motivated were to keep those jobs and do good at them. Nowadays, a lot of people will sleepwalk through life and end up in a situation that they can't handle on a daily basis. There is a feeling of people not really wanting to be here - wherever they are in life. The mind is distracted and focused on petty things like personal conflicts and day to day inconveniences. It is not really their fault. It is just how the time is. The people who for centuries would have gotten along fine with manual labour are suddenly forced into jobs that require continuous mental thought all during the day. Most people can't handle it or they don't want to and you can't really blame them.

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#5
I worry often that my perception of this is biased because I'm young and "this has always happened" but I fully agree with you, and it's across the spectrum of importance.

Hire a contractor to power wash part of a house, and they simply _did not do half the work._ Not a matter of a half-assed job, simply was not even done. When called back, they proceeded to skimp in almost the same way, except when confronted over there being literal clumps of dirt still on sections they did claimed "oh I guess it just came off easier a second time."

What's absurd is like you I've experienced it in life-threatening fields as well. I'm currently contesting a rather pricy medical bill as a result of a surgery, that should be covered, when I call my insurance provider they claim should be covered, but then I... keep getting bills for. Even calling the university sending the bills, they claim it should be covered, claim they put a "note on my account" but then the bills keep coming. I've spent 12+ man hours being fed BS by a string of companies who have shown no real ability to actually rectify a glaring, financially critical issue.

It's just crazy to me how pervasive it is, even for well-reputed companies. I feel like if I was this bad at my job I'd be fired in an instant, but then I see managers in my stack whom engineers have _abysmally_ low reputations of (have had HR reports for bullying, have pushed individuals out of the company, regularly are caught in lies/misdirection) get continual promotions and praise.

There really seems to be two classes of accountability in this world, and for those jobs where there really isn't any, I get the sense it's become a race to the bottom. (Look in govt. as well. It's basically dogma that campaign promises are full-of-shit, but we continually accept them at face value/there's no recompense when they're inevitably not met.)

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#7

I worry often that my perception of this is biased because I'm young and "this has always happened" but I fully agree with you, and it's across the spectrum of importance. Hire a contractor to power wash part of a house, and they simply _did not do half the work._ Not a matter of a half-assed job, simply was not even done. When called back, they proceeded to skimp in almost the same way, except when confronted over t…

"I feel like if I was this bad at my job I'd be fired in an instant..."

Yes! I look at these other jobs and think how great it would be to work in a position that had no accountability.

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#8
Wild speculation: Customer service, support, and other direct interactions are difficult to scale. Large corporations tend to optimize direct-contact positions for cost and speed over quality. This act of endlessly “optimizing staff time” to control costs inevitably ends up with people rushing through things in order to satisfy an unforgiving productivity algorithm. Consolidation/competition displaces local businesses that solve the service problem with higher-cost service offerings, leaving everyone with worse-off except for the beneficial owners of these consolidated behemoths.

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#9
> which could very negatively impact lives.

Yeah, but the lives of people that the worker who actually produces the citation/form/record/whatever will never see, doesn’t care about, and just views as an annoyance who’s making them do something.

The bigger populations and communities get, and the more remotely everyone can work, the less likely it is you’ll deal with someone who has any interest, knowledge or fucks to give about you. I’m sure if these companies had to get it right for the boss’s friend, they’d magically become competent.

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#10
post #6

2020 has taken a toll on everyone.

This. A lot of people lost their routine. People who never experienced stress and anxiety before are now bathing in it.

Maybe the stress is making them care less. "Why should I care about washing this house when the world is falling apart?"

Some of them may care more. "If I make a mistake here, I'll get fired and never find a job in 2020."

Either way, stress WILL increase the amount of mistakes done.

For example, this study saying that surgeons make up to 66% more mistakes during stressful situations. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/12/181219191052.h...

It's daily stress, they describe it as people talking, machines beeping, etc.

Now imagine the result if you replace this daily regular stress with a fear of a pandemic, a fear of the economy crashing, a fear of the environmental crisis, etc.

People are bound to make more mistakes.

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